Okay, since we wanna be respectful of the appreciation threads, I'm starting this thread for the debaters.
But, I think there should be some guidelines though.
1. This is a debate thread, NOT a dissing thread. People can come here to make points, pros and cons.
2. Please be respectful to the views and opinions of others. If you've come here to just insult, you've got the wrong thread.
Uh, that's all I got for now. If anyone else has any other guidelines they wanna add just let me know and I'll put them up.
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tina and jodie are both
tina and jodie are both great women
jobette!
tina vs jodie?
tina and jodie are both great women...cant select
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tina vs jodie?
tina and jodie are both great women...cant select
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tina vs jodie?
tina and jodie are both great women...cant select
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TINA AND BETTE FOR ME
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bette doesnt deserve jodie since ever since if you will observe bette she is still in love with tina all this time..or should i say even in the past seasons/episodes that they are separated...
So obvious
Tibette were so much better than Jobette!!!
There were no heat between Jobette unlike Tibette
also the sex scenes are better between Tibette
Tibette forever
Tibette is a magical relationship, Jobette was not working for me at all
Tibette forever
double posting
sry
difficult
At first, please excuse my poor english, not a native here...
I haven't seen seasons 2 and 3, but recently i saw season 4 and 5 --- and i found it interesting, that in most relationship-issues Bette still seems to be the self-centered person she was in season 1 ... for me, Jodi did Bette a great favor in confronting her with the controlfreak-issues over and over again... and i do see a Bette, who is still not ready to love herself.
She does (surprisingly to me) love Angie though --- i m looking forward to learning that in loving her daughter, she will begin to love and respect herself, in all her givin, passionate, griefin, week and strong qualities...
To me it is obvious that Jodi sensed so well, that Bette is NOT lovin her lover Jodi ;-) as she'd deserve it... to me the plot is, that Bette isn t ready to love Jodi... either because she really wants to get back together with Tina (don't know) or because she s not ready to take any responsibility for her actions yet, what really suits her character, don't you think?
I would not love Bette so much, if it wasn't for her sparkling eyes, her smiling, her laughter, which i'd say, belongs more to the actress than to the character....
JoBette really revealed all the qualities Bette tried to hide so well 4 the time of her life... but i do understand, that Bette isn't in love with Jodi, for what reason so ever...
Debate???
Debate, There should be no debate!! There is no question Bette and Tina, no other couple compares!!
not more jodi and tina trust.
bette did cheat!. she won't affair never woman?
Bette and Tina..... PERIOD!!!
There is no doubt...... Bette and Tina forever. Yes they had there differences but you know they are meant to be together, they have always loved each other, they just had to come apart for a while to actually see what they meant to each other "Which I know for the true die hard TiBette fans this was excruciating to watch!!!" The show started with them together and that's how it needs to end....
TiBette Forever
jodi and tina
Bette have learn hard laugage sign and she ready sign for Jodie. she had challage jodi differnet. Tina take bette affair leaving jodi. bette have pain her hurt and she don't want jodi fool. jodi used sex deaf Amy, deaf woman. she use easy commucation her srong deaf cuture. Jodi know feel nerove bette's friend her new girlfriend.
Tina haven't sign laugaues? she is jeoulsly? she think freaking. four season: she ask bette love jodi? bette have experince learn her life strong right or worng than tina.
jodi help tina drunk. she's lovely.
I want to Tina change jodi way trust and hosnet. Jodie should going to new york. jodi feel waste time, she don't want dog ass bette. she want to brief bette need to opening and talking her friend.
I watched godsmack pain jodie really hurt. I m deaf like jod?
I hope bette challage change and she don't want happen last spoil jodi and worng or rigth six season the l word.
Me quedo con Tibette!
Estoy totalmente en contra del daño que Bette le ha hecho a Jodi pero también entiendo que no se puede obligar a nadie a amar si no se siente. Me gusta Jodi pero entiendo que Tina es el verdadero amor de Bette aunque se hayan dado cuenta ahora y hayan tenido que hacer daño a terceras personas.
Sólo espero que mi preciosa Bette ahora lo tenga claro de verdad y no sea un nuevo capricho, es decir, como un nuevo reto para ella. Yo creo que es un poco lo que le pasó con Jodi al principio ya que ella no queria tener una relación seria con nadie. Bette no paró hasta que la consiguió.
Por favor que no sea igual con Tina. También nosotros (como público) queremos creer en el amor verdadero y en las historias con finales felices. A mí me encantaría que ésta lo tuviese.
Saludos!!
Tina vs Jodi
I think that if it had been left up to IC Bette may not be with Jodi but she wouldn't be with Tina. Bette and Jenny are the two loves of IC's life and I think fundamentally she wants each to grow towards wholeness and away from dependence and fear. More than embracing being loved by someone else, they need to embrace loving themselves and they continue to confuse that need with seeking validation from the outside. I love Bette and Tina in bed but I don't like Tina as Bette's life partner. I like Tina and Bette as friends but I don't like them as "wifey" and "wife". I love Tina and Bette as co-parents but I don't like them as an example of mature lesbian love.
Bette did the most growth spiritually, psychologically, and emotionally when she was not with Tina and in spite of Tina. Tina also grew up quite a bit when she was not with Bette and because she was not with Bette. In nearly 35 years as a lesbian, I have never seen the kind of "miracle reunion" in real life but ah there's the rub. This is TV land. Yet, somehow this reunion as a fantasy was disturbing.
Why? I think that the movie within the movie states it when Tina convinces Jenny that her movie will "Touch the life of some young girl living in the Midwest and let her know it's possible for women to make a life together."
Being in love is just the first stage for discovering some powerfully unknown part of ourselves with another person reflecting what we want to see. It is smoke and mirrors and a time to explore the what we do not want to control. It is a time we sculpt our environment, our thoughts, our passions, our partner into our own form of Michealangelo's 'David'. It is truly beautiful but is not meant to be the last stage of our relationship.
We are meant to play hard, love fiercely, support unconditionally but with conditions, and challenge wisely our loves. As Joni Mitchel says, "All I really want our love to do is to bring out the best in me and you." That is the standard I embrace to acknowledge a healthy, loving, mature relationship. It isn't like hands folded together, it's more like a pray pose where hands touch.
I see passion in Bette and Tina's eyes. I see history and the comfort of convenience. I see intertwining (even more now that Bette is pregnant) but I don't think they bring out the best in each other.
I'm a Bette lover from Day 1 and I've always wanted more for her. I 've always wanted her to know that essentially she is a person worthy of love.
Jodi, a better option
Hi,
I respect TiBette population (I'm not Pro-TiBette nor Anti-TiBette) but I think that Jodi is better for Bette... There are many sparks between them, remember the scene in that Bette and Jodi explained how the end of the first love isn't the end of Phyllis' sentimental life... They were hopeless in love!
But due to very demanding population TiBette, the IC team was forced to confuse Bette's mind not to break TiBette's heart. Yes, the relationship between Bette and Tina will work because they are more as marriage of convenience. Due to Bette's type A, Tina is a safe bet...Of course, I don't doubt their mutual adoration nor their common history as Angie (very cute). But they will be bored as always. Remember that, for boredom, Bette cheated Tina with the carpenter.
Bette doesn't know how to enjoy life as Jodi knows. Bette was very unfair with her because she didn't make great effort to adapt Jodi's life nor asked whose were her cored values. The IC team didn't give a chance to Jodi to shown her great, furious and passionated love for Bette. Remember when Jodi invited her to meet her friends who were very nice with a very reluctant Bette. It was the first time Jodi took a partner!
Jodi is the one that doesn't let her manipulate her in spite of her sometimes tactless honesty. Kit (and the group) knew that Jodi is the better option for her sister! Tina is a familiar face and Bette can control her... She is unsure and fearful. Jodi is a challenge. Bette deserved the embarrassing show called Core for manipulating people... :)
But, for Angie's seek, her mothers have to remain together. Only at TV movie there are this sort of miracles. Because since the season one, we only see shit and very resentment between Bette and Tina... Only at TV they can make up.
And... I still dream with a reconciliation between Bette and Jodi... after 5 years... when IC team makes a movie... lol. Meanwhile, find a great woman for the fascinating Jodi.
Hope the last season was memorable! Take care of yourselves.
Spanish Shadow. And forgive my awful English.
IT HAS TO BE TIBETTE, 3 words: First, Last, and FOREVER!!!!!!!
First let me begin by saying I do like Jodi. She's a great character but not with Bette. When I've watched them together I did not see "in love" but an intense adoration. They both respected each other's work and shared a commnon love for art. But that's pretty much the only connection they had. It was more like a business partnership with benefits.
But when I see Bette with Tina I see "in love" on a pedestal. And at the foot of that pedestal is their union. They have a connection that's as encoded as their DNA. They are so in tuned to one another it really is like watching the same person. Examples: ordering the same cobb salad, both putting their hands on their stomachs in season 1 during the LET'S DO IT episode, the same expression they gave each other in season 5 after having that run in with the gay male couple competing to get their son in the same preschool, etc. Look at how intense their eyes are when they are doing something as simple as smiling at one another. Witness the urgency they've always had to savor one another bodies when they are making love. Bette and Jodi have always had sex not made love. Jodi would rather party than drink in the essnece that is Bette. Everytime Bette and Tina orgasm, they are looking at each other, getting enjoyment at watching the other reach that brink of orgasmic exhilaration.
Some people always want to focus on the negative that TiBette has done. But let us not forget that Bette and Jodi were not the epitomy of greatness either. In the beginning Jodi was the one out breaking a few hearts. Remember monogamy at that time was not her thing. I could go on and on. It's just like Bette said that thing she was looking for she was never going to find it because she has it with someone else and that's Tina. (They've belong together. They've always have!) TiBette: First, Last, and FOREVER!!!!!!!
Ouch
I'm so confused, I don't know anything anymore. I love Bette, I love Tina and also Jodi. JoBette is super cute together, but so is TiBette. I think it's up to Bette to decide, it's right that T cheated on Bette but Jodi also cheated on Bette as well, they both did tell Bette, they all love Bette but Jodi seems to be well, at least she tells Bette what she thinks.
*heart* Jodi x Bette!!
I'm currently up to S4. And I have to say that Season 4 is my favourite season yet because of Jodi x Bette couple! One of the cutest couple I've seen and the reason I rewatched Season 4 several times in a row (which I don't usually do).
I'm really pleased to see them together at the end of S4.
Bette lost an 8-years relationship mostly because of her bossy personality and was in a recovering stage, she needs to be loved and wanted, and someone to be completely honest with her which she found in Jodi.
I like Tina too, but I prefer Jodi because she's really honest, sweet and cute.
I love Tibette together and forever...
No other love. Bette and Tina as portrayed by JB and LuH have something that few couples have ever brought to the screen. They are amazing, and their acting is superb.
U know what?
I'm so happy to see all of u guys here respectfully talking about your ships...it's amazing I spend my time fighting with some other fans...I even forgot there are still respectful, mature, smart TLW fans who can give their opinions and respect others...wow..thank u..LOL
Oh yes..
TIBETTE ALL THE WAY BABEE!!!
Though I don't want them to have more kids...I love Tibette..and they have to end up together...THE L WORD = TIBETTE I mean..even if they're not my favorite characters..I have to admit what's obvious right? :)
TIBETTEEEEEEEE
TIBETTE FOREVER!!!!
AND EVER, EVER, EVER...
they are the best ... and then together?
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
I think the relationship of Bette and Tina have more feeling!
Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss
Tibette forver
Everybody loves Bette and that's the reason we feel sorry about Jodi!
Jodi has cured Bette from her pain, has fixed her broken heart, has gave her another chance for happiness. Ok, it's all true.
BTW, after everything, Bette realize that even she wants to gave her heart for Jodi, and she really tried, she can't do it, because she already had gave it for Tina. Bette belongs to Tina, that's the way the things are.
And Tina belongs for bette. I think that Tina is just bissexual because of Bette ; Bette is the one she loves, and it doesn't matter for her if she's a girl or a man. She loves her... She tried, twice, to be happy farway from Bette and she didn't get it!
I love TiBette and I wanna, wanna, wanna (like S3) the family Keenard-porter together forever!
Jobette
I think that Jodi and Bette are great together... Tina doesn't know what she wants and she'll hurt Bette... Anyway, I am a big fan of Jodi and I hope she becomes one of the lead characters in the L word!!
Bette and Tina
Bette and Tina are wonderful together. I buy the story that they love one another. Bette and Jodi was not convincing to me. Bette couldn't even do anything nice like buying her a table cloth without Jodi accusing Bette of being a control freak. Tina would have loved that simple gesture and Bette is a romantic so she gets pleasure of doing those small cute things for her lover.
Absolutely, Tibette forever
Absolutely,
Tibette forever
Ditto!
Totally agree!
Totally, totally agree
When you love someone those little things mean a lot. Why would you accuse your lover of being a control freak when it is obvious she was only being romantic? Jodi can't see past Bette's short comings. But Tina at least tried.
Monogamy isn't just hypothetical
Simple
I am not going to make analysis just this ;
Bette: The reason I can is because I’m with you.
There is nothing to add after that
And
:It feels like i am coming home
so Bette was lost with Jodi
Tibette Forever and Ever.....
Bette realized that she and Jodi were just never going to work. She is back where she belongs with Tina. I am hoping that are in for an incredible 6th season of Tibette happiness.
jobette!!!
ok, I am a jobette fan all the way!! I think Bette and Tina just have terrible history, however, it is nice that they can look past it, I just think some of the things they did to each other are unforgivable.
I think Jodi has shown Bette a side of herself that Bette has never seen before, and is making her stronger, and vise versa. When your ina relationship you need to be with someone who makes you stronger, which is what I think anyways. Jodi does that for Bette and vise versa.
I LOVE JODI!!! She's my favorite character :).
yes, i love Bette and Tina,
yes, i love Bette and Tina, but lets get serious here, when u LOVE someone u wouldn't cheat on them, or play mind games with them. When u love someone, u want them and only them!
Thats why i think Bette and Tina should just move on already! When u love someone, hurting them is the last thing u want to do! They've played the same old record forever!!! Thats not love!
So yeah, me personally i love Jodi. =)
she's sweet. and what makes me mad is Jodi did A LOT of changing for Bette! she did the whole monogamous thing, then she switched from not liking kids to loving kids, all for Bette! And Tina has sacrificed a lot for Bette as well!
i wanna see Bette do things for her woman for once!!! damn!
i love Bette, but she's not the most generous, she's selfish. When your in a relationship, u make sacrifices, and ive seen Bette's partners deliever more than her. i think Tina is the only pure character, who has remained true to herself and others.
I'm a TiBette fan all the way...
I can't agree more with about saying when you love someone you don't want do anyhing that will hurt her. But this is what's written in books... Soetimes, real life is much more complicated then that. I don't say that cheating is ok, that malipulation is ok... Don't take me wrong. I'm just trying to be realistic here. Not everyone deals with hard moments the same way.
I don't know if you're getting my points here. I'm sorry for my english.
I love Bette and Tina too.
I am hoping they end up together. There was always something very off key for me with Jobette. I could not see nor feel the connection that B & T have. No matter what crap has been thrown Tibette's way, the fans still root for them to be together. I know this isn't a popularity contact. I think it has been such a waste to take so long for Bette and Tina to find their way back together. However, I won't complain. In the end if Bette and Tina are truly reunited, I will be overjoyed.
I love to c TiBette reunion, but...
I love to see TiBette's reunion, but just don't feel it's right for Bette kept cheating and not being frank with Jodi. Although she cares about Jodi's feelings, it's not OK hanging on between two women. She should make up her mind and be quickly done with it. If she carries on like this any longer, I might just stop liking her.
The other thing I want to say is that MM has got great improvement on women's sex scenes in the last few episodes. ::applauding::
I do feel quite sorry for Jodi when she's been such a good partner to Bette and so nice to Tina.
...if this imagination doesn't seem crazy, how about let them experience threesome!? LOL
LOL
A threesome might be odd.. but HOT! XD
Bette and Tina video Stronger Than Before
I've been a Bette and Tina fan since day one. Their chemistry is AMAZING. Like Cliff and Claire Huxtable, Rob and Laura Petry, Jennifer and Jonathon Hart, Krystal and Blake Carrington, and Luke and Laura Spencer, you can totally picture them together in real life. The "Bette and Tina Show" would be a hit on any network, cable or regular tv.
I'd like to think that their relationship has come full circle with Bette knowing what she had and almost lost and Tina no longer defining herself in Bette's shadow and not willing to let Bette make all of the decisions. I think their relationship will be stronger for those reasons alone!
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I really didn't know that
I really didn't know that some people didn't want Bette and Tina back together! I though that everyone was like "Bette and Tina are SO ment to be" But I was wrong. Sure, Jodi is really great and I really don't want Bette to hurt her, but it's like. Bette and Tina were so great in the beginning. Then Bette hurt her, but she's learned from her mistakes. She said she didn't want to be that kind of mother, so she and Tina should stop the thing they were doing. You know? I think she loves Jodi, I do, but it still doesn't compare to the way she feels for Tina. Tina is THE one for her and she knows it. Except she doesn't want to hurt Jodi, and i comlpetely understand that. But as I've said before; Bette and Tina are Ross and Rachel in Friends. They are the one that's ment to be. They are the one that makes their lives complete. They fit together like hand in a glove. Everytime I watch Tibette now as far as they've comed, I get all these fellings inside. They are acting so extremely well and they really know how to get our atention.
BUT. I really hope that if it is Bette and Tina in the end, I hope that Jodi found out from Bette and not by her selves. If Bette got to explain how the situation worked, MAYBE Jodi would understand. (who knows?) But I hope that Bette finds out about her feelings and can tell it to her herselves and not that Jodi suddenly finds them or something. That would've been terrible.
Bette and Tina are ment to be. That's all I have to say.
Tina
Tina hurt Bette first.
I like Jodi
Like someone mention before, I used to like T and B together i preious seasons, but ever since Jodi appear last season and fetr all Jodi and bette went through i thought Jodi and B should be together, OK I agree T and B look nice together but they r done, they hurted each other so much and now that they r gettig along they think they still love each other which is not true (hope so LOL) this thing is happening should be just another Bettes affairs. IM on Jodis side cause she is hot and change her mind about seeing more ppl cause she loves Bette.
PS- as u can see im new and willing to make new friends, XD
we're on the same place on
we're on the same place on this.. unfortunately, there isn't much hope left for jodi and bette..
i've been loving jodi since the beginning, and i still think that she and bette should be together, they really looked and look like a perfect match.. and they both changed each other's lives so much..
welcome to ourchart, by the way! :)
Nothing else to debate
From what I have read re: spoilers, there is nothing else to debate. Tibette is the triumphant love story, from start to finish. They may have stumbled into some potholes along the way and took some detours but their destination is each other. People come and go in their respective lives, some more helpful than others, some stayed longer than they should but there has never been any doubt that Bette loves Tina and Tina loves Bette.
Tibette - first, last and FOREVER!
Jeez
If what you say is true, I didn't come into this thread to read a spoiler. Why would you ruin it for people like me? Edit your post please so that unspoiled people like me don't have to be spoiled because of unthinking and careless people like you!
This is a debate??
There's no debate. Tibette all the way.
I can not agree more Tibette
I can not agree more
Tibette forever
There are nothing to discuss
There are nothing to discuss here. Jobette is nothing compared to Tibette. But of course, Bette is making Tina "The other woman" and that's wrong. I just wish that Bette would break up with Jodi soon. Because Bette and Tina knows that they are ment to be togther. Deep in their heart, they know. Of course, Bette does care alot about Jodi, no argument there. They have been partners for a while now. But I know that Bette knows deep in her heart, that she loves Tina. She said it herselves "But it doesn't really compare". That says it all.
And Jobette fights all the time. I read it somewhere, don't remember where, but someone said that with Jobette, it's always almost been just abut the sex. Tibette faught alot to, ut still :)
Tibette has their background. They have all those years of love and partnership. Dispite all the negativities they had, they still had many good moments. I just can't wait for them to get back together again.
Got three words for you:
BREAK UP JOBETTE
Bette and Tina have something
Jobette doesn't have. They are in love with each other. I think they will soon recognize it and want to be together. I am sorry for the collateral damage but not too sorry. I have waited so long to see Tibette together. I am hoping that really happens soon. There's no Fighting it or Denying it. By the way, it (Jobette) doesn't compare.
tibette
First, last, forever. Bette and Tina have a connection, a love of so many years, of so many ups and downs, of so much hurt and so much pleasure, it is so strong and so moving, it's an unstopable force. It frankly cannot compare...I feel sorry for Jodi but...
"first, last, forever"
"first", you can't change that..
but "last".... ok, it was unbelievably romantic when tina said that line.. but i kinda remember tina having sex with some people after that.. and the fact is, i remember her having sex with helena, who was definitely trying to ruin bette's life (which is ok, i mean, tina was still trying to punish bette), and with a clueless :) man named henry.. and i kinda remember bette's reaction to all that..
so, we all have a lot of good and sweet memories of Tibette.. but it was a long time ago.. and so much has changed, so many bad things have happened....that to me, those good and sweet memories are just not enough..
of course, jodi doesn't compare.. she has known bette for...how long?, one year?.. Jobette can't compare.. yet... but the "it just doesn't compare" thing has nothing to do with the "love of one's life" thing..
Tibette's past is not enough to build a new relationship out of it.. and their present is still not enough..
they haven't solved anything! if they do, then i'll give them a chance..