There's this creeper guy I hadn't had the heart to tell him I'm gay. And he was in the backroom, mopping and scrubbing up the tiled floors. While my buddy Hannah and I are putting away Waffle Bowls, Hannah goes "I feel like a whore 'cause I'm jumping from boy to boy" and I told her "Gee, wish I could say that, but I'm gay." She had the bigggessssttt smile on her face and then there's the creeper boy in the backroom, frozen in his spot. He had stopped doing whatever he was doing. I guess earlier he went up to my shift leader saying, "Oh, my god.. Nicole is soooooooooooooo hott."
Yet people seem always to be shocked and amazed when they find out I am a lesbian, lol. I'm not really butch or anything, but I am kind of a girly tomboy. I don't shove it down anyone's throat or anything, but I make no effort to hide it. This is me, take it or leave it. Hey, if I have to listen to women lust over Brad Pitt all day, why can't I talk about my Joan Jett obsession? Lol.
Only one of my managers knows I'm gay. But I don't think any one there would have a real problem with it. I'm just not ready to be out, I'm not even out to my family, just a few close friends.
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Sometimes we put up walls not to keep people out, but to see who cares enough to knock them down.
I am out at work. I actually work for Noodles & Company as a shift manager there. I just got promoted. From the time I started working there, I felt very welcomed and the atmosphere felt very laid back enough that I thought it would be fine to come out. I just casually mentioned that I have a girlfriend and of course people are like, "what? really? you're gay?" and I answered questions about my sexuality and most people were just open to it and it wasn't a big deal. The reason it isn't such a big deal is because Noodles & Company is just so open to LGBT people. The company itself was founded in Denver, Colorado and according to one of my gay friends who transferred to Northern VA to my store from one of the Colorado stores, a majority of corporate are gay. My area manager is gay, one of the other managers I work with is gay. No one even batts an eyelash to it. It's kind of awesome.
I'm not surprised though, Virginia may be a "red" state and southern VA is certainly very "christian"....Northern VA is like a blue spot amongst the red.
I am definitely not out at work and I think I will do all my career like this. I am almost the only girl and I work with many young men full of testosterone...so I don't want to become the lesbian girl in their 'ménage à trois' phantasms or jokes.
I know it is not courageous, but I am at the beginning of my career so I don't want to loose a promotion or else just because the man in front of me is homophobe.
In fact I spend my whole working life playing the perfect heterosexual girl !
Sounds quite painful, having to hide who you are. But you have a good reason there, I definitely wouldn't want to lose a promotion due to my sexual orientation.
It didn't start that way, but after a few months, and a bunch of "leading" questions, I came out. Main reaction was DUH!!!! I didn't want it to be an issue because I had been actually FIRED for being gay (not just out) from a previous position. One of the girls in the office just had a major problem with it, well actually two of them, and they had been there longer than me.
Ultimately I applied for the position I have now because of the companies policy of non-discrimination. There are a bunch of us there in my location. It is a retail job for an international wonderful company. I have been there for nearly eight years and even have a bunch of my returning clientele who have figured it out and ask about my partner, ect. Really kind of neat considering I live in VIRGINIA, and southern Va at that!!!!!!!
I live in the bible belt, so to speak. I own my own business (organic farmer & dog boarding) where customers come to my farm. I often have "friends" that are clearly butch visiting and helping me out. If that wasn't a clue then they actually thought they were men.
Keep in mine that probably 80% of my customers are Christian. They walk in and smell incense and say "oh that smells so nice" and then they see my big Buddha and candles and you can tell its a little unsettling for them, HOWEVER they also know my deep commitment to animals and that is their primary concern. I had an issue of Lesbian Connection on the dining table once and had someone helping with check-ins that day. I'm sure quite a few people saw it & in Southern VA everyone knows each others business.
I don't hide who I am but at the same time I don't wear a sign. If someone ask me point blank then I would not deny it. I believe the best way to live is by example, be who you are and act as if its nothing different.
I am not out at work. I wish that I could be. Let me rephrase that. A few choice people know that I'm a lesbian but my whole department doesn't know...and HR knows because my girlfriend is on my benefits. Anyway, the type of environment that I work in welcomes anyone from the LGBT community but I also see the side that doesn't. I hear my peers make fun of gay people and saying derogatory things about the LGBT community and this is what keeps me closeted at work. I am slowly but surely working my way into becoming completely out, but the process is not easy. I lived in NY and it was no big deal when I came out. I live in PA now and it's a whole different ball game unless you live in Philly...which I do not. So I guess it's true what they say...once you come out you spend the rest of your life coming out.
I THINK BEING OUT AT WORK DEPENDS WHERE YOU ARE. I KNOW WITH MY CURRENT COMPANY EVERYONE KNOWS, AND IS PRETTY OK WITH IT. BUT I DID WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT EVERYONE LIKED ME, TILL THEY FOUND OUT. PEOPLE ARE STILL VERY MUCH CLOSE MINDED ON THIS.
Well, I agree with you. It all depends on the type of industry you are in. Some companies and the people are still very conservative. For sure there are a lot of gossips at your back. That is why I still cannot out at work.
I didn't think it would go well...working on a small team (6)that is a part of a large franchise. The other manager and one staff member talked about church all the time. They were the last 2 on the team to tell, because I was afraid especially as an equal and a supervisor. Much to my surprise it went well!
The only mistake I made was my own insecurity in not trusting my team. I should have known it would not change anything. Now I am out to several corporate staff as well and I have no fear of being out to anyone.
I look at it this way...they either love you or hate you. If they hate you...were they worth it anyway?
I feel very lucky to work somewhere that I can be totally out and it is not an issue at all. I work for a major arts organization so the climate is very gay friendly. I have friends that are teachers who would be fired if they were ever to come out. While we have come so far there is still such fear and intolerance out there.
One of the bad things about not being out at work is the accompanying lies that can follow. Whether they're about who you're seeing, doing that week-end or simply acts of omission.
You could end up having to quit because you've told so many lies, this happened to me when I was younger.
You can be fired because a supervisor could see it as a lack of confidence and honesty on your part once the truth is known about you.
It's harder to make friends and as you get older a lot of friends can come from your workplace.
You build a wall around yourself whether you know it or not and you shut people out.
We need to honestly see the world as it really is, not as we'd like it to be.
If you're in college, consider what it may be like once you join the work force...maybe teaching isn't the best career choice for you.
Pick a field that you can be yourself and be comfortable with co-workers knowing who that self is.
there are tons of gays in my company, but since nobody asked me, i didn't tell. i work at a really straight girl magazine, Cosmopolitan... (in brazil) its a little bit annoying. the editor have almost 1000 employees... but at cosmo there are 30 woman, 2 men... everyone is in a straight marriage/relationship... :~~~
i had bad experiences with coming out at work earlier... so i decided i would just say if anyone ever asks me.
I'm really glad to see this topic posted. It is one of the things that I seem to be struggling with the most right now. I've "sort of" come out to co-workers. I work for a fairly large company and most in my dept know, and if anyone asked I surely I would tell them. But it's not easy. The hardest part about it is all the gay jokes that really aren't funny. Even though I have spoken up and told some of these immature idiots how I feel, they don't seem to care and carry on with their nasty comments. I like my job, and I've been with this company for nearly 3 years, but I can't stand some..or rather most of my co-workers. Even though I wear my rainbow necklace and hold my head up, I know that they are whispering and talking about me behind my back. In my presence, they just continue with their non-sense and gay bashing. I never even put up with this crap when I was back in school!!! Being a mom with three kids and a male partner, most assume me to be hetrosexual, but anyone who knows me knows that's not the case. Comming out as a bisexual woman has been an ongoing battle, and probably will be for several years to come as I face different issues. Yet I have come to accept myself for who I am and I think that is something to be proud of. I don't think that I can just sit back anymore and feel this uncomfortable in the workplace. I plan on taking this the next step and filing a complaint, even if I end up having to change jobs. Gay rights need to be protected, especially in the workplace. Maybe if enough of us take a stand than our children, or our grandchildren won't incure similar hatered.
I changed j.o.b.s. last year. I went from one job, where I could not be out for fear of physical harm (though just about every dyke passing by sure picked me up on their radar) to a different j.o.b.
At the new place, they are very gay friendly. Everyone from the head honcho to HR on down knows I am gay, or has the ability to know if they want to. The company really hunts their talent and offers great benefits for partners and family.
Hahaha, I hate moments like that. You finally get the guts to say what you want to say, and then BAM... gotta take care of some other duties. And all that courage you worked up is somewhat useless. lol. good luck next time ;]
The Company has great diversity programs, and no discrimation bla bla bla... But when it gets down o the people level you never know. You don't know how your direct manager thinks, would he hold you back if he knew you're gay? These things make me think and just not say anything. I don't make up stright relationship stories, but I don't go telling anyone I'm gay either. Maybe when I get married I'll tell some people, I'd like my wife to have all the beneffits I have here.
Hi! i ve just read cames message who says she would love to be out at work and she will probably do so when she will get married. i really think you should. i am a teacher here in France. i want to be out. but here the governement does not recognize lesbian weddings. so some of my corworkers are nice and gay-friendly but the other half keeps bugging me, calling me still "miss" instead of "mrs" and do not call me with my girlfriend family name. it is hard to make mentalities change here, but i will not give up. so i go on calling myself mrs with my girlfriend family name, because love is more important than anything else, even at work.
I'm not out at work, but I've only been at this gig for 4 months. There are only three of us and we don't talk about personal lives really. Plus I'm the only one in the office 85% of the time (my boss is out on maternity leave for the summer and the exec. director comes in at her leisure).
If someone asked me, I'd tell the truth, but so far I haven't felt the timing has been right.
--Jess
"A battle of wits is no fun with an unarmed person"-- Anonymous
I run around high off of dangerous amounts of caffeine the entire time, so yeah Im outzilla. I make up vagina songs in my head during the shift and proceed to sing them to whichever coworkers have the best humor. I have way too much fun at work.
I am not necessarily stone butch, but I am definitely not feminine, so I guess I may invite questions - which I don't offer to answer. I have gotten hit on by guys before at work, and my answer is always the same "thanks, but not into dating anyone from work, no offense." I don't date or play at work. I like to keep drama out of my paycheck.
But also too, I live and work in Maryland. Maryland is ....interesting. We are aware that Dupont Circle is right around the corner, but we are also a tad conservative. There are no gay bashings here (that I have heard of) but it's amazing how many gay republicans I know here!
I also worked in Virginia, and staying in the closet was a survival skill. Virginia doesn't even have a hate crime protection law covering sexual orientation - so there you go!
I say coming out at work depends on the company/organization you work for, and how accepting they are. If you are out to meet and greet, there is no reason to hide. I worked part-time once at REI and everyone there knew, because I wanted to meet people and didn't care about the money or consequences.
I spent so long in my life trying to please everyone else and worrying what everyone thought that i made myself unhappy. As i`ve grown older i no longer care what other people think. I love my partner more than life and do not see any reason why i should hide the fact,my sexuality and that of anyone else shouldn`t be any of anyone elses business but when asked the usual questions like most of us get asked ie are you married, do you have a boyfriend etc etc i do not lie and in fact am quite proud when i say no i don`t have a boyfriend but i do have a girlfriend, it makes laugh when you see the reaction on their faces and some even make comments like "Good for you" or even "well done" as you can guess the conversation usually ends there lol!! I have been out in my job since day one of starting it and it makes life so much easier.
Wendy x
I started a new job about 7 months ago and I'm certainly not out. It's an all women office full of (mostly) older women with children, and they seem a little conservative. So yea, totally not out.... yet.
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Yes, for 35 years. Started at the factory at 19. Been a shop steward.
Not particularly well received in 1973 but, now that I'm an old fart it doesn't seem to be a big deal to anyone.
Had several jobs that used to be quaintly called "non-traditional", worked mostly with men over the years, still do. With 2 exceptions, most were okay.
I am as good a welder as any of them and was respected for that. After that, no doubt my pure and blithe effervesence won them over. HA!
I have been out at work for about 4 months, and Ive been there less than 6. I think its actually made things easier, oddly. I work as a cook, where theres often 3 or 4 guys for every women in the kitchen, so its kinda relaxed the tension. I work for a super liberal company (Whole Foods) with a lot of punks and hippies, and everyone has been super cool about it. One of my store managers is an out lesbian, and I know at least 6 other people in my store who are out.
I think its kinda funny how I came out. one of the guys in the kitchen was saying that his girlfriend cheated on him with another girl, and was saying they might break up because of it. I told him I've had the opposite problem before, telling him I dated a girl for a couple months who broke up with me because she realized she wasn't gay. The 3 people who heard my story looked at me for a second kinda confused, and then were like, "oh, ok" and that was it. I was out at work.
I teach gender and sexuality in the media at a university. I don't wear a sign, but I talk about my partner in class. If my students don't know, they aren't paying attention. I have had non-educational jobs where I wasn't out, but not in. There was an unfortunate incident whereby a coworker reported my "lesbian behavior" to HR. I'm still not really sure what that meant. Hmmm.
I work in theatre... I'm quite out. Most of the performers and artists i meet/work with are gay. ALL our summer season is glbt artist. Unfortunately, we don't have benefits at all. Just cupcakes.
Nope, I am not out at work. I'd love to be, but I'm not. I had a bad experience at my last job. Long story short, my manager didn't like the fact I was gay. She never said it, but it was clear in her facial expressions. She was partial to the male employees, not the women, and certainly not me. I don't work there anymore.
I am really afraid that the same thing will happen. Even though where I work now is a group of much nicer people.
Really, it shouldn't matter what you do in your bedroom as opposed to what you do for your job. ~ John Barrowman.
I'm sort of out at work. I haven't announced it, but I don't hide it, either. There are a few co-workers I'm close to who know because we've talked about it. Others are probably clueless, but if they asked, I would be happy to tell them the truth. I wear my rainbow earrings on occasion, and I have a pic of my girl as my screensaver, though...so who knows? :)
I am a medical professional, and while being dependent on other people to promote my career I have decided not to be out. There are still lots of layers of discrimination in certain professions, whether it is against the weakest, the least competitive, the softest, the female, the foreigner,a different race or the gay person. In a competitive environment these things get used against you. Therefore I do not mix private life and work. I feel that people have to earn my trust and have to earn full information about my private life.
On the other side I wish I would not be so closed up about myself. Some of my lesbian friends who are lawyers and doctors, have the same problem and live a life very hidden from the public eye. I think being out is a problem when you are expected to present a certain status/persona and when your professional success depends on it.
I am a pediatric oncologist. I am out at work with my colleagues and all the nurses, social workers, administrative staff, etc. I have worn a transparent rainbow on my ID badge holder for years, which is a beacon for teens needing to confide in a safe person or a colorful sticker that little kids love and parents who aren't "friendly" won't get. One of the oncologists in our department has been out for years (but years after he joined the dept, I should add), which certainly paved the way for me to be open and honest about who I am at work. Still, I am terrified that should some of my patients' parents find out, they won't want me to take care of their kids anymore. Or worse, the kids themselves will be repulsed. I am fortunate to have the respect of my patients and their families, and usually it's a comfortable, trusting relationship. But would my Spanish-speaking immigrant family who currently trusts me unconditionally understand? That uber-Christian family? Certainly not the mother whose daughter (my patient) is clearly butch...she has already cried her parenting woes on my shoulder, worrying, "And what do I do about drugs and sex and the gays and the LESBIANS?!" I wish it weren't this way.
Ever since I was 12 I knew I liked girls, everything about them. At 16 I told my grandparents who raised me that I was gay. They sent me to a mental hospital thinking they could cure this gay disease. I found I was the one counseling the psychiatrists and doctors telling them this isn't a disease...there is no cure, you can't change me I Am Who I Am. After a brief two week stay, I went to live with my mother who I'd never met before. On our very first heart to heart talk I told her I was gay. She told me it didn't matter, I was still her daughter. She told me that it should never matter what anyone else thinks, what they feel is right or wrong, that I should just be who I am, and not ever let anyone or anything change me. As a senior in high school I came out to friends and family....then two weeks after graduation I was off to the Navy for three years, where suprisingly I was completely open with my shipmates and friends, just not the superiors. I served my country amongst mostly men, doing mostly male gendered jobs such as launching aircraft off the flight deck of the aircraft carriers. The men...they never cared, I was always up front and honest, never hiding who I was no matter what the consequence. After the Navy I became an EMT, and after four years of that I decided to go to Fire Academy. The only female in the academy I blew the guys away but from day one I was always open and honest with them. I am predominatly butch looking so it's not hard for most to just look at me and know....if not seriously question that I am in fact Gay. I work for a major hospital now, and a fire dept. with mostly men. I have been open, and honest since day one. I answer any and all questions that anyone has and I do it honestly. I don't have to get personal if it's not necessary but it does bring for some good and funny conversations that help to lighten the tension and people find that they understand the whole gay concept now because of it all and they tend to be a lot less homophobic. My bosses and all the way up to the top have known for years and all support me, have been there for me through tough times and they understand that just because I'm gay doesn't mean I don't go through what everyone else goes through in straight relationships or other types of relationships. It has taught all of them a lot. I know not all places are as up to date with the times as where I live which is actually a pretty small town in the great Republic land of Texas, but to me it just helps if your open and honest, then people are more willing to accept you for who you are and not go behind your back with the stereotypes when they are curious and just don't know. I just tell everyone that this is the way I am. They can't change me, no one can. I will always be who I am, and proud of it.
It's kinda hard to be out and proud in my kind of job. There are consequences that if you are proven to be that way they might spare you as long as you didn't commit anything against their stupid rules.... So uh yeah
I am a teacher and am not officially out I guess, but I am not hiding in the closet either. If someone were to ask for whatever reason, I would tell the truth. In a public school it doesn't seem to be an issue with coworkers, but it seems that generally parents are kept in the dark. At least that is my experience. I would be interested to know about what other teachers feel about this.
I have always been out at my previous jobs, but as a new teacher, I have been careful. It turns out that one teacher knows someone who knows me through some gay connections, so it has leaked out a bit. If anyone were to ask, I'd tell the truth, but the staff is not that chatty.
Last month some of the students at the high school went to the principal to ask if they could start a glbt support group. They were given the green light if they could find a staff sponsor. The kids came to me as their first choice, so I had to say yes. This has caused quite a stir amongst our very conservative staff. I now find myself being labeled as the "gay" teacher for my leadership role. I'll deal, but I'm wondering whether to come out to the kids in the group. Any suggestions?
My company is very large and we have benefits and we are diverse, however it is hard as a women in business as it is. It seems very acceptable for a man to be openly gay, however the women that are, have not moved in the company. Is that by their choice? I like to think it wont impact me, however as of now I have been too chicken to take the chance.
Im not out at work. I work at a daycare in the infant room. so my babies don't know what gay is so they don't need to know. Plus i work with 20 women. So i dont even share my personal life with them bc its way to much drama when u do.
My manager, who hired me, is an out and proud gay man. My direct supervisor and everyone in my department are married, hetero women. As it is, I am ostracized and actively ignored because I don't have a husband. These women are catty and gossipy and I don't want my personal business in the rumor mill, which is where it'd end up. I just don't want to give these people any ammo to make things harder for me than they already make things. It's the corporate world - a fucking viper pit of people doing anything and everything to get ahead, including sabotaging the work of others, etc. Yes, that has happened to me on more than one occassion!
I'm out at work...I guess it isn't really hard in Northern Virginia...we're a blue speck on a red state. Everyone is cool with it, and it also helps because now, i don't have the guys looking at me like I am fresh meat. I work for Noodles and Company...restaurant business....its nice to be out...as if my rainbow belt didn't say it all. :D
Also, there are like 3 other LGBT people. We have two gay guys, one of them a shift manager, and another lesbian. We're a happy work family and everyone else is cool with it.
I felt I had to after 8 years at my small company. I got married (I'm in NJ) last March and wanted a long weekend off, so I told my boss. No problems.
Plus, if something were to happen to my partner and I had to leave work or take time off to take care of her, I thought it would be best.
Wifey is out too at her new job, since my company is so small, there's only 3 of us, we have no benefits, since the owner is over 65 (medicare) and my boss' husband has excellent benefits being a state trooper.
So now I have benefits through her company.
no really i hate my job. mickey d's is such a loser job. this is why i have to go to college to get a better job.
im not "out" to anyone, but its not too hard to figure out, if you pay attention to me. i flirt with the hot girls and they flirt back. theres this one girl that works there thats smokin hot. lol we are always flirting. but she is straight, she knows im not. she is a really big slut lol. she teases me all the time. shes like "you know you like it". girls are always teasing me! lol i hate it but love it at the same time. that girl just doesnt know what i would do to her lol.
When a co-worker asks me if I'm married, I say "No, I'm gay. I have a long time partner though." I think it is easier on everyone if you are just blunt with the information.
If a customer asks if I'm married I just say "No." If they press (because I wear a ring), I'll tell them I have a partner and leave it at that. I have quite a few gay customers and I love to see the quirkly little smile they get when they understand what I'm saying :)
I'm a financial field rep for a commercial lines insurance carrier. I'm 42 and have been out at work for 18 years.
I came out because a customer tried to blackmail me. He knew I was gay because I had dated his step-daughter in college; I didn't recognize him but he sure recognized me. He told me to make a mistake and reduce his additional premiums by $10k and we would be quits.
I said "OK" and then drove to the nearest pay phone and reported the whole thing to my boss. I could live with losing a job, I couldn't live with the thought that I'd have to look over my shoulder for the rest of my life.
My boss was very surprised that I was gay and very pissed that this man was trying to harm me and the company. My boss told me not to worry about it and that our lawyers would take over from that point. The next time I was in the office, he gave me paperwork about a nationwide lesbian/gay employee group! I hadn't had any idea that my company had one. At that time we did not have domestic partnership coverages.
I've worked for other carriers and have worked in other industries, and I've always been out. During the negotiation process for new job offers I ask about domestic partnership coverages. That way if they don't want gay employees they can find a reason to withdraw the offer and I don't have to worry about a nasty surprise later.
I now work for my first employer once again. My partner is on my insurance, she is allowed to drive my company car, and the company is going to help her find a new job (I accepted a transfer). Oh, and she is treated as a spouse when we have conferences .. she comes along with the other wives :)
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The Creepy Stalker Boy
There's this creeper guy I hadn't had the heart to tell him I'm gay. And he was in the backroom, mopping and scrubbing up the tiled floors. While my buddy Hannah and I are putting away Waffle Bowls, Hannah goes "I feel like a whore 'cause I'm jumping from boy to boy" and I told her "Gee, wish I could say that, but I'm gay." She had the bigggessssttt smile on her face and then there's the creeper boy in the backroom, frozen in his spot. He had stopped doing whatever he was doing. I guess earlier he went up to my shift leader saying, "Oh, my god.. Nicole is soooooooooooooo hott."
Haha, so yeah, I'm out at work.
I'm out...
Yet people seem always to be shocked and amazed when they find out I am a lesbian, lol. I'm not really butch or anything, but I am kind of a girly tomboy. I don't shove it down anyone's throat or anything, but I make no effort to hide it. This is me, take it or leave it. Hey, if I have to listen to women lust over Brad Pitt all day, why can't I talk about my Joan Jett obsession? Lol.
Definitely out.
I'm definitely out. I'm very "butchy" that they do not need to get a confirmation from me if I'm gay or not.
Only one of my managers
Only one of my managers knows I'm gay. But I don't think any one there would have a real problem with it. I'm just not ready to be out, I'm not even out to my family, just a few close friends.
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I am out at work. I actually work for Noodles & Company as a shift manager there. I just got promoted. From the time I started working there, I felt very welcomed and the atmosphere felt very laid back enough that I thought it would be fine to come out. I just casually mentioned that I have a girlfriend and of course people are like, "what? really? you're gay?" and I answered questions about my sexuality and most people were just open to it and it wasn't a big deal. The reason it isn't such a big deal is because Noodles & Company is just so open to LGBT people. The company itself was founded in Denver, Colorado and according to one of my gay friends who transferred to Northern VA to my store from one of the Colorado stores, a majority of corporate are gay. My area manager is gay, one of the other managers I work with is gay. No one even batts an eyelash to it. It's kind of awesome.
I'm not surprised though, Virginia may be a "red" state and southern VA is certainly very "christian"....Northern VA is like a blue spot amongst the red.
Deep in the closet !
I am definitely not out at work and I think I will do all my career like this. I am almost the only girl and I work with many young men full of testosterone...so I don't want to become the lesbian girl in their 'ménage à trois' phantasms or jokes.
I know it is not courageous, but I am at the beginning of my career so I don't want to loose a promotion or else just because the man in front of me is homophobe.
In fact I spend my whole working life playing the perfect heterosexual girl !
Sounds quite painful, having
Sounds quite painful, having to hide who you are. But you have a good reason there, I definitely wouldn't want to lose a promotion due to my sexual orientation.
Good luck playing that perfect role. =)
out out out
It didn't start that way, but after a few months, and a bunch of "leading" questions, I came out. Main reaction was DUH!!!! I didn't want it to be an issue because I had been actually FIRED for being gay (not just out) from a previous position. One of the girls in the office just had a major problem with it, well actually two of them, and they had been there longer than me.
Ultimately I applied for the position I have now because of the companies policy of non-discrimination. There are a bunch of us there in my location. It is a retail job for an international wonderful company. I have been there for nearly eight years and even have a bunch of my returning clientele who have figured it out and ask about my partner, ect. Really kind of neat considering I live in VIRGINIA, and southern Va at that!!!!!!!
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I live in the bible belt, so to speak. I own my own business (organic farmer & dog boarding) where customers come to my farm. I often have "friends" that are clearly butch visiting and helping me out. If that wasn't a clue then they actually thought they were men.
Keep in mine that probably 80% of my customers are Christian. They walk in and smell incense and say "oh that smells so nice" and then they see my big Buddha and candles and you can tell its a little unsettling for them, HOWEVER they also know my deep commitment to animals and that is their primary concern. I had an issue of Lesbian Connection on the dining table once and had someone helping with check-ins that day. I'm sure quite a few people saw it & in Southern VA everyone knows each others business.
I don't hide who I am but at the same time I don't wear a sign. If someone ask me point blank then I would not deny it. I believe the best way to live is by example, be who you are and act as if its nothing different.
www.dancingcreekfarm.com
I am not out at work. I
I am not out at work. I wish that I could be. Let me rephrase that. A few choice people know that I'm a lesbian but my whole department doesn't know...and HR knows because my girlfriend is on my benefits. Anyway, the type of environment that I work in welcomes anyone from the LGBT community but I also see the side that doesn't. I hear my peers make fun of gay people and saying derogatory things about the LGBT community and this is what keeps me closeted at work. I am slowly but surely working my way into becoming completely out, but the process is not easy. I lived in NY and it was no big deal when I came out. I live in PA now and it's a whole different ball game unless you live in Philly...which I do not. So I guess it's true what they say...once you come out you spend the rest of your life coming out.
I THINK BEING OUT AT WORK
I THINK BEING OUT AT WORK DEPENDS WHERE YOU ARE. I KNOW WITH MY CURRENT COMPANY EVERYONE KNOWS, AND IS PRETTY OK WITH IT. BUT I DID WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT EVERYONE LIKED ME, TILL THEY FOUND OUT. PEOPLE ARE STILL VERY MUCH CLOSE MINDED ON THIS.
I agree
Well, I agree with you. It all depends on the type of industry you are in. Some companies and the people are still very conservative. For sure there are a lot of gossips at your back. That is why I still cannot out at work.
People don't always react like you expect.
I didn't think it would go well...working on a small team (6)that is a part of a large franchise. The other manager and one staff member talked about church all the time. They were the last 2 on the team to tell, because I was afraid especially as an equal and a supervisor. Much to my surprise it went well!
The only mistake I made was my own insecurity in not trusting my team. I should have known it would not change anything. Now I am out to several corporate staff as well and I have no fear of being out to anyone.
I look at it this way...they either love you or hate you. If they hate you...were they worth it anyway?
I feel very lucky to work
I feel very lucky to work somewhere that I can be totally out and it is not an issue at all. I work for a major arts organization so the climate is very gay friendly. I have friends that are teachers who would be fired if they were ever to come out. While we have come so far there is still such fear and intolerance out there.
Not being out can hurt you too
One of the bad things about not being out at work is the accompanying lies that can follow. Whether they're about who you're seeing, doing that week-end or simply acts of omission.
You could end up having to quit because you've told so many lies, this happened to me when I was younger.
You can be fired because a supervisor could see it as a lack of confidence and honesty on your part once the truth is known about you.
It's harder to make friends and as you get older a lot of friends can come from your workplace.
You build a wall around yourself whether you know it or not and you shut people out.
We need to honestly see the world as it really is, not as we'd like it to be.
If you're in college, consider what it may be like once you join the work force...maybe teaching isn't the best career choice for you.
Pick a field that you can be yourself and be comfortable with co-workers knowing who that self is.
there are tons of gays in my
there are tons of gays in my company, but since nobody asked me, i didn't tell. i work at a really straight girl magazine, Cosmopolitan... (in brazil) its a little bit annoying. the editor have almost 1000 employees... but at cosmo there are 30 woman, 2 men... everyone is in a straight marriage/relationship... :~~~
i had bad experiences with coming out at work earlier... so i decided i would just say if anyone ever asks me.
Making a Change
I'm really glad to see this topic posted. It is one of the things that I seem to be struggling with the most right now. I've "sort of" come out to co-workers. I work for a fairly large company and most in my dept know, and if anyone asked I surely I would tell them. But it's not easy. The hardest part about it is all the gay jokes that really aren't funny. Even though I have spoken up and told some of these immature idiots how I feel, they don't seem to care and carry on with their nasty comments. I like my job, and I've been with this company for nearly 3 years, but I can't stand some..or rather most of my co-workers. Even though I wear my rainbow necklace and hold my head up, I know that they are whispering and talking about me behind my back. In my presence, they just continue with their non-sense and gay bashing. I never even put up with this crap when I was back in school!!! Being a mom with three kids and a male partner, most assume me to be hetrosexual, but anyone who knows me knows that's not the case. Comming out as a bisexual woman has been an ongoing battle, and probably will be for several years to come as I face different issues. Yet I have come to accept myself for who I am and I think that is something to be proud of. I don't think that I can just sit back anymore and feel this uncomfortable in the workplace. I plan on taking this the next step and filing a complaint, even if I end up having to change jobs. Gay rights need to be protected, especially in the workplace. Maybe if enough of us take a stand than our children, or our grandchildren won't incure similar hatered.
You Betcha
I changed j.o.b.s. last year. I went from one job, where I could not be out for fear of physical harm (though just about every dyke passing by sure picked me up on their radar) to a different j.o.b.
At the new place, they are very gay friendly. Everyone from the head honcho to HR on down knows I am gay, or has the ability to know if they want to. The company really hunts their talent and offers great benefits for partners and family.
I tried the other day--it
I tried the other day--it came up in conversation, but then the phone rang and I had to pick it up. :0(
A wise woman once told me, "Game spots game."
Hahaha, I hate moments like
Hahaha, I hate moments like that. You finally get the guts to say what you want to say, and then BAM... gotta take care of some other duties. And all that courage you worked up is somewhat useless. lol. good luck next time ;]
I'd love to
The Company has great diversity programs, and no discrimation bla bla bla... But when it gets down o the people level you never know. You don't know how your direct manager thinks, would he hold you back if he knew you're gay? These things make me think and just not say anything. I don't make up stright relationship stories, but I don't go telling anyone I'm gay either. Maybe when I get married I'll tell some people, I'd like my wife to have all the beneffits I have here.
Cames!
an attempt
Hi! i ve just read cames message who says she would love to be out at work and she will probably do so when she will get married. i really think you should. i am a teacher here in France. i want to be out. but here the governement does not recognize lesbian weddings. so some of my corworkers are nice and gay-friendly but the other half keeps bugging me, calling me still "miss" instead of "mrs" and do not call me with my girlfriend family name. it is hard to make mentalities change here, but i will not give up. so i go on calling myself mrs with my girlfriend family name, because love is more important than anything else, even at work.
Nope
I'm not out at work, but I've only been at this gig for 4 months. There are only three of us and we don't talk about personal lives really. Plus I'm the only one in the office 85% of the time (my boss is out on maternity leave for the summer and the exec. director comes in at her leisure).
If someone asked me, I'd tell the truth, but so far I haven't felt the timing has been right.
--Jess
"A battle of wits is no fun with an unarmed person"-- Anonymous
Well Im only a waitress
I run around high off of dangerous amounts of caffeine the entire time, so yeah Im outzilla. I make up vagina songs in my head during the shift and proceed to sing them to whichever coworkers have the best humor. I have way too much fun at work.
Neither here nor there...
I am not necessarily stone butch, but I am definitely not feminine, so I guess I may invite questions - which I don't offer to answer. I have gotten hit on by guys before at work, and my answer is always the same "thanks, but not into dating anyone from work, no offense." I don't date or play at work. I like to keep drama out of my paycheck.
But also too, I live and work in Maryland. Maryland is ....interesting. We are aware that Dupont Circle is right around the corner, but we are also a tad conservative. There are no gay bashings here (that I have heard of) but it's amazing how many gay republicans I know here!
I also worked in Virginia, and staying in the closet was a survival skill. Virginia doesn't even have a hate crime protection law covering sexual orientation - so there you go!
I say coming out at work depends on the company/organization you work for, and how accepting they are. If you are out to meet and greet, there is no reason to hide. I worked part-time once at REI and everyone there knew, because I wanted to meet people and didn't care about the money or consequences.
Once out then stay out
I spent so long in my life trying to please everyone else and worrying what everyone thought that i made myself unhappy. As i`ve grown older i no longer care what other people think. I love my partner more than life and do not see any reason why i should hide the fact,my sexuality and that of anyone else shouldn`t be any of anyone elses business but when asked the usual questions like most of us get asked ie are you married, do you have a boyfriend etc etc i do not lie and in fact am quite proud when i say no i don`t have a boyfriend but i do have a girlfriend, it makes laugh when you see the reaction on their faces and some even make comments like "Good for you" or even "well done" as you can guess the conversation usually ends there lol!! I have been out in my job since day one of starting it and it makes life so much easier.
Wendy x
Not yet.
I started a new job about 7 months ago and I'm certainly not out. It's an all women office full of (mostly) older women with children, and they seem a little conservative. So yea, totally not out.... yet.
of cause, i am not
i am not out ,although i want ,but if i do that, here will have many discommodity .
g.f.annie Yes, for 35
g.f.annie
Yes, for 35 years. Started at the factory at 19. Been a shop steward.
Not particularly well received in 1973 but, now that I'm an old fart it doesn't seem to be a big deal to anyone.
Had several jobs that used to be quaintly called "non-traditional", worked mostly with men over the years, still do. With 2 exceptions, most were okay.
I am as good a welder as any of them and was respected for that. After that, no doubt my pure and blithe effervesence won them over. HA!
yes!!
I have been out at work for about 4 months, and Ive been there less than 6. I think its actually made things easier, oddly. I work as a cook, where theres often 3 or 4 guys for every women in the kitchen, so its kinda relaxed the tension. I work for a super liberal company (Whole Foods) with a lot of punks and hippies, and everyone has been super cool about it. One of my store managers is an out lesbian, and I know at least 6 other people in my store who are out.
I think its kinda funny how I came out. one of the guys in the kitchen was saying that his girlfriend cheated on him with another girl, and was saying they might break up because of it. I told him I've had the opposite problem before, telling him I dated a girl for a couple months who broke up with me because she realized she wasn't gay. The 3 people who heard my story looked at me for a second kinda confused, and then were like, "oh, ok" and that was it. I was out at work.
yes.
I teach gender and sexuality in the media at a university. I don't wear a sign, but I talk about my partner in class. If my students don't know, they aren't paying attention. I have had non-educational jobs where I wasn't out, but not in. There was an unfortunate incident whereby a coworker reported my "lesbian behavior" to HR. I'm still not really sure what that meant. Hmmm.
I work in theatre... I'm
I work in theatre... I'm quite out. Most of the performers and artists i meet/work with are gay. ALL our summer season is glbt artist. Unfortunately, we don't have benefits at all. Just cupcakes.
not out
Nope, I am not out at work. I'd love to be, but I'm not. I had a bad experience at my last job. Long story short, my manager didn't like the fact I was gay. She never said it, but it was clear in her facial expressions. She was partial to the male employees, not the women, and certainly not me. I don't work there anymore.
I am really afraid that the same thing will happen. Even though where I work now is a group of much nicer people.
Really, it shouldn't matter what you do in your bedroom as opposed to what you do for your job. ~ John Barrowman.
Really, it shouldn't matter
Really, it shouldn't matter what you do in your bedroom as opposed to what you do for your job. ~ John Barrowman.
Sort of...
I'm sort of out at work. I haven't announced it, but I don't hide it, either. There are a few co-workers I'm close to who know because we've talked about it. Others are probably clueless, but if they asked, I would be happy to tell them the truth. I wear my rainbow earrings on occasion, and I have a pic of my girl as my screensaver, though...so who knows? :)
Not out
I am a medical professional, and while being dependent on other people to promote my career I have decided not to be out. There are still lots of layers of discrimination in certain professions, whether it is against the weakest, the least competitive, the softest, the female, the foreigner,a different race or the gay person. In a competitive environment these things get used against you. Therefore I do not mix private life and work. I feel that people have to earn my trust and have to earn full information about my private life.
On the other side I wish I would not be so closed up about myself. Some of my lesbian friends who are lawyers and doctors, have the same problem and live a life very hidden from the public eye. I think being out is a problem when you are expected to present a certain status/persona and when your professional success depends on it.
Half and Half
I am a pediatric oncologist. I am out at work with my colleagues and all the nurses, social workers, administrative staff, etc. I have worn a transparent rainbow on my ID badge holder for years, which is a beacon for teens needing to confide in a safe person or a colorful sticker that little kids love and parents who aren't "friendly" won't get. One of the oncologists in our department has been out for years (but years after he joined the dept, I should add), which certainly paved the way for me to be open and honest about who I am at work. Still, I am terrified that should some of my patients' parents find out, they won't want me to take care of their kids anymore. Or worse, the kids themselves will be repulsed. I am fortunate to have the respect of my patients and their families, and usually it's a comfortable, trusting relationship. But would my Spanish-speaking immigrant family who currently trusts me unconditionally understand? That uber-Christian family? Certainly not the mother whose daughter (my patient) is clearly butch...she has already cried her parenting woes on my shoulder, worrying, "And what do I do about drugs and sex and the gays and the LESBIANS?!" I wish it weren't this way.
I Am Who I Am
Ever since I was 12 I knew I liked girls, everything about them. At 16 I told my grandparents who raised me that I was gay. They sent me to a mental hospital thinking they could cure this gay disease. I found I was the one counseling the psychiatrists and doctors telling them this isn't a disease...there is no cure, you can't change me I Am Who I Am. After a brief two week stay, I went to live with my mother who I'd never met before. On our very first heart to heart talk I told her I was gay. She told me it didn't matter, I was still her daughter. She told me that it should never matter what anyone else thinks, what they feel is right or wrong, that I should just be who I am, and not ever let anyone or anything change me. As a senior in high school I came out to friends and family....then two weeks after graduation I was off to the Navy for three years, where suprisingly I was completely open with my shipmates and friends, just not the superiors. I served my country amongst mostly men, doing mostly male gendered jobs such as launching aircraft off the flight deck of the aircraft carriers. The men...they never cared, I was always up front and honest, never hiding who I was no matter what the consequence. After the Navy I became an EMT, and after four years of that I decided to go to Fire Academy. The only female in the academy I blew the guys away but from day one I was always open and honest with them. I am predominatly butch looking so it's not hard for most to just look at me and know....if not seriously question that I am in fact Gay. I work for a major hospital now, and a fire dept. with mostly men. I have been open, and honest since day one. I answer any and all questions that anyone has and I do it honestly. I don't have to get personal if it's not necessary but it does bring for some good and funny conversations that help to lighten the tension and people find that they understand the whole gay concept now because of it all and they tend to be a lot less homophobic. My bosses and all the way up to the top have known for years and all support me, have been there for me through tough times and they understand that just because I'm gay doesn't mean I don't go through what everyone else goes through in straight relationships or other types of relationships. It has taught all of them a lot. I know not all places are as up to date with the times as where I live which is actually a pretty small town in the great Republic land of Texas, but to me it just helps if your open and honest, then people are more willing to accept you for who you are and not go behind your back with the stereotypes when they are curious and just don't know. I just tell everyone that this is the way I am. They can't change me, no one can. I will always be who I am, and proud of it.
"To Thine Own Self Be True"
Jenny
I can be out but i can't
It's kinda hard to be out and proud in my kind of job. There are consequences that if you are proven to be that way they might spare you as long as you didn't commit anything against their stupid rules.... So uh yeah
Being Out in Education
I am a teacher and am not officially out I guess, but I am not hiding in the closet either. If someone were to ask for whatever reason, I would tell the truth. In a public school it doesn't seem to be an issue with coworkers, but it seems that generally parents are kept in the dark. At least that is my experience. I would be interested to know about what other teachers feel about this.
Being Out in Education
I have always been out at my previous jobs, but as a new teacher, I have been careful. It turns out that one teacher knows someone who knows me through some gay connections, so it has leaked out a bit. If anyone were to ask, I'd tell the truth, but the staff is not that chatty.
Last month some of the students at the high school went to the principal to ask if they could start a glbt support group. They were given the green light if they could find a staff sponsor. The kids came to me as their first choice, so I had to say yes. This has caused quite a stir amongst our very conservative staff. I now find myself being labeled as the "gay" teacher for my leadership role. I'll deal, but I'm wondering whether to come out to the kids in the group. Any suggestions?
No not yet
My company is very large and we have benefits and we are diverse, however it is hard as a women in business as it is. It seems very acceptable for a man to be openly gay, however the women that are, have not moved in the company. Is that by their choice? I like to think it wont impact me, however as of now I have been too chicken to take the chance.
Nope
Im not out at work. I work at a daycare in the infant room. so my babies don't know what gay is so they don't need to know. Plus i work with 20 women. So i dont even share my personal life with them bc its way to much drama when u do.
Not out at work!
My manager, who hired me, is an out and proud gay man. My direct supervisor and everyone in my department are married, hetero women. As it is, I am ostracized and actively ignored because I don't have a husband. These women are catty and gossipy and I don't want my personal business in the rumor mill, which is where it'd end up. I just don't want to give these people any ammo to make things harder for me than they already make things. It's the corporate world - a fucking viper pit of people doing anything and everything to get ahead, including sabotaging the work of others, etc. Yes, that has happened to me on more than one occassion!
Yeah...
I'm out at work...I guess it isn't really hard in Northern Virginia...we're a blue speck on a red state. Everyone is cool with it, and it also helps because now, i don't have the guys looking at me like I am fresh meat. I work for Noodles and Company...restaurant business....its nice to be out...as if my rainbow belt didn't say it all. :D
Also, there are like 3 other LGBT people. We have two gay guys, one of them a shift manager, and another lesbian. We're a happy work family and everyone else is cool with it.
Yep
I felt I had to after 8 years at my small company. I got married (I'm in NJ) last March and wanted a long weekend off, so I told my boss. No problems.
Plus, if something were to happen to my partner and I had to leave work or take time off to take care of her, I thought it would be best.
Plus,
Wifey is out too at her new job, since my company is so small, there's only 3 of us, we have no benefits, since the owner is over 65 (medicare) and my boss' husband has excellent benefits being a state trooper.
So now I have benefits through her company.
I'm luvin it
no really i hate my job. mickey d's is such a loser job. this is why i have to go to college to get a better job.
im not "out" to anyone, but its not too hard to figure out, if you pay attention to me. i flirt with the hot girls and they flirt back. theres this one girl that works there thats smokin hot. lol we are always flirting. but she is straight, she knows im not. she is a really big slut lol. she teases me all the time. shes like "you know you like it". girls are always teasing me! lol i hate it but love it at the same time. that girl just doesnt know what i would do to her lol.
ps
When a co-worker asks me if I'm married, I say "No, I'm gay. I have a long time partner though." I think it is easier on everyone if you are just blunt with the information.
If a customer asks if I'm married I just say "No." If they press (because I wear a ring), I'll tell them I have a partner and leave it at that. I have quite a few gay customers and I love to see the quirkly little smile they get when they understand what I'm saying :)
I'm completely out at work
I'm a financial field rep for a commercial lines insurance carrier. I'm 42 and have been out at work for 18 years.
I came out because a customer tried to blackmail me. He knew I was gay because I had dated his step-daughter in college; I didn't recognize him but he sure recognized me. He told me to make a mistake and reduce his additional premiums by $10k and we would be quits.
I said "OK" and then drove to the nearest pay phone and reported the whole thing to my boss. I could live with losing a job, I couldn't live with the thought that I'd have to look over my shoulder for the rest of my life.
My boss was very surprised that I was gay and very pissed that this man was trying to harm me and the company. My boss told me not to worry about it and that our lawyers would take over from that point. The next time I was in the office, he gave me paperwork about a nationwide lesbian/gay employee group! I hadn't had any idea that my company had one. At that time we did not have domestic partnership coverages.
I've worked for other carriers and have worked in other industries, and I've always been out. During the negotiation process for new job offers I ask about domestic partnership coverages. That way if they don't want gay employees they can find a reason to withdraw the offer and I don't have to worry about a nasty surprise later.
I now work for my first employer once again. My partner is on my insurance, she is allowed to drive my company car, and the company is going to help her find a new job (I accepted a transfer). Oh, and she is treated as a spouse when we have conferences .. she comes along with the other wives :)