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thehookup@ourchart.comBette & Tina are so much more but what are they really???
January 30, 2008 - 5:39pm — STVBuddyMatch(If you read the whole thing it really is good, I promise)
Ok, I'm a die hard loyal 110% fan of the L Word, and a 1010% Fan of Bette & Tina. I love the Kiss Like so many of us did, as one Ourchart member said "if I muted my TV I'm sure I would have heard every lesbian fan screaming with joy"
Bravo Showtime and producers! Well with all that said lets get down to it. I have recently been captivated by reading the relationship forums here on ourchart, in some part searching for understanding on some serious issues I feel a bit lost on. Also I just LOVE reading EVERYONE's wonderful thoughts on the Bette/Tina/Jodi triangle.
Now the topic I find most interesting here on ourchart is the "Great Bi/Lesbian" debate. Which generally gets more heated than the 08 debates.
I asks everyone to sit with me as "I dissect my Own personal views" of the Bette & Tina romance all from the point of the kiss.
If you did Tivo it, watch it again, or watch the replay tonight on Showtime.
The kiss took place in what I call "3 vital parts". I believe so much can be said in just the expressions of the characters in the scene. Even the music track adds to my summary.
1st: Bette finally putting her guard down and taking Tina back.
Tina's stunned and doesn't want to let go, nor does she want Bette to let go. Totally savoring the moment.
2nd: Bette slowing down and in so many ways just telling her "this" "we are real". Tina breathes it all in knowing 100% where she wants to be FOREVER!
3rd: Bette is fighting herself and is forced to face her true feelings.
Tina stands strong for Bette and lets her know she will take care of her when she is weak. Tina OWNS this stage of the kiss. This part reminds ME so much of Boys on the side- "I got you baby"
Now I'm sure some people will not like me for MY OPINION but honestly it is my thoughts, so here goes.
In season 1 while we truly loved Bette we hated her actions, and the pain on Tina's face when she realized Bette's betrayal, an after they made angry love, she appeared broken at Alice house. If you have the DVD watch it again. Tina has always took good care of Bette whenever she is weak like in the shower that day.
In season 2 Bette fought kicking and screaming back into our good graces and won her lady back mind, body, and soul. Bette allowed Tina to take charge and accepted her terms completely, even as we wanted to scream an ask Tina not to tourture her too much. And we wanted to vanish Helena to a distant land far far away from our couple.
In season 3 we though we were going to lose our mind when Tina does the UNTHINKABLE she not only leaves Bette who worked so hard to get her back but she leaves for a MAN. OMG Oh no not the M word. Oh sorry Bette...
In season 4 we have a new target to blame. I LOVE Marley Matlin 100%. I even like Jodi to a good degree. Do I like her more than Bette & Tina not a chance. However was her character needed, YES 110%. First b/c we needed Bette to heal from the loss of Tina and to a man no less. We needed Bette even thought she is exteranally the strongest character, to be strong inside again.
We needed Tina to really think about what she wanted for her life. Also in some way we needed Tina to suffer and to fight for Bette since she did the actual leaving this past time. We needed Tina to stay the strong character she had become but still soft enough to admit that she was still completely in love with Bette and she *ucked Up. We tested her by making her be "just a friend" WOW she has grown so much as a character it is great.
Now Season 5 is here and we all want our Bette and Tina back no matter what. Jodi is not mean to Bette but WE want our Bette and Tina. Everyone gets so mad at Jodi come on give it a break. Bette can not fully commit to Jodi b/c her heart is with Tina and it always has been that's it.
The truth of the matter is this Bette needs Tina, and Tina needs Bette. THE KEY is they balance each other out. Remember last week when Tina told Jodi good for her for not letting Bette blow her off for a benefit. Tina understands now where she often in standing by Bette and being there for her she did not always stand up for what SHE really wanted or more importantly NEEDED. So Bette not b/c she didn't love Tina totally blew stuff off. Bette was too business consumed and self involved at times, this is true if we admit it or not.
Now I ask this, do we dislike Tina b/c she did in fact leave Bette for a "MAN" and it did hurt Bette a lot. Do we believe that Tina is a 100% Lesbian or do we believe that Tina is just 100% in love with Bette and doesn't want anyone else (man or woman)? Lets remember Tina was originally dating a man when Bette literally stole her heart and they started out. I believe that is season 2 we see this. Tina left Bette b/c she felt incomplete. Hey Bette cheated but Tina did at least come to Bette and tell her she was thinking about being with a man, SHE did not cheat at that point. Bette closed her off and instead of looking at their relationship and herself, or asking Tina more about this Bette shut down.
I believe that it was easy for Tina b/c she felt being with a man was easier b/c it is mostly physical, season 4 "what were we thinking, We were thinking we liked *ucking each other and it was fun" Tina and whatever his name was arguing in the kitchen. LOL
Bette & Tina rule, but it also reminds me of QAF we could not wait for Brian to tell Justin his feelings and it was well worth the wait. I do not think you have to be a lesbian to love a truly beautiful love story.
Also and I know everyone will really dislike this, I really believe Tina is bi but 100% in love with Bette, no one man or woman can mean more to Tina than Bette. Hey this is my feeling. It is based on the fact that I have NEVER met a Lesbian= "a woman who only likes women" ENJOY having sex with a real guy on more than one occasion watch season 3 again, Tina looked like she was definitely enjoying herself, then later the next season she looks at Bette and realizes they were more than sex they were Lovers and Partners.
Season 5 "so what are you doing for sex" "Its not like when we were together I didn't go months without sex" The Bette and Tina romance is heating up and it will be a battle for us to get them back together the season just started Showtime is not going to give them back to us so easy without a fight.
Well folks if anyone read this whole thing what do you think of my synopsis?
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the kiss definately
evoked the most emotion for me...I think when Bette cried so did I ...I remember my heart was just pounding. How someone can evoke so much emotion is truly remarkable...
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
Lu and Jen
Beautiful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
nice!
This was a BEAUTIFUL sight to see when I first logged in! Thank you, Sarah!
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Bette: "I did not f**k off, I f**ked up. I did not go, I'm still here."
Thank You and You're Welcome!!
Im happy you liked it x
Re: mixed messages
My head is spinning after reading the discussion on mixed signals between Bette and Tina both before and after "the kiss." Here's my view.
By the end of season three, Bette truly believed that Tina was no longer in love with her. I think that the tea time conversation between Bette and Tina reflected much the same uncertainty that Tina expressed when she told Bette about her feelings about men; it was something she had to work through. She is again having feelings about her sexuality and her choices. She still isn't sure of what she feels, she is (as LUV said) thinking out loud and formulating her thoughts. She was feeling regret, she was missing Bette, as well as her friends and her home. I don't think Bette received any mixed message, I think she understood Tina was regretful and confused, but Bette could not and would not interpret or trust Tina's confessions as a declaration of love and a desire to get back together. As much as STV wants to hear magic words from Tina, I think the result would have been the same even if Tina had said I'm still in love with you and I made a mistake. I know you are screaming STV, but its too soon, the words just could not be trusted so easily, and, after all, Tina was still with Henry.
Tina begins to believe that Bette is in love with Jodi. At Kit's album debut at the Planet, Tina asks Bette if she is in love with Jodi, and Bette says something like I don't know, its too soon, and Tina says I think you are. She had seen "that look," and that Bette had looked like that at her in the past.. Tina is convinced. She also shows that she is disillusioned with Henry, she tells Bette that Henry is "clueless." Bette is about to tell Tina that Jodi is on a date with someone else when they are interrupted. No mixed message, just a missed message.
Tina's feelings about her sexuality are evolving and at the same time, she is trying to accept Bette's new life with Jodi. It is Jodi who invites Tina to the dinner party at Bette's house. Tina is not sending any messages to Bette at this time. She brings Kate to the dinner party because she is transitioning
back to women and she is attracted to and flattered by Kate's attention. Bette's display of jealousy at the dinner over Kate's flirtation is countered by her flaunting of her affection for Jodi. This is the first mixed message I see.
I think that the conversation between Bette and Tina after Jodi leaves is a missed opportunity, not really a mixed message. Bette essentially asks why did Jodi leave her, and why did Tina leave her. Tina's answer contains no more confusion over her sexuality, in fact, she pretty much states that she would prefer Bette to Henry. But when faced with the direct question by Bette, Tina falters. She blows the opportunity to say that yes I'd rather be with you but you're in love with Jodi. . As someone else said, Tina over analyzed the situation and thought that she knew Bette better than Bette knew herself. I don't think it is a mixed message, as much as a faulty message, faulty thinking on Tina's part. There is no mixed message about Kate here either, Tina says that she is "not ready" and she wants to be on her own with reference to Kate.
The text message is not a mixed message on Tina's part, it is a confirmation of Bette's love for Jodi in Tina's mind. Because all of the listed behaviors are behaviors Bette displayed towards Tina when Bette was in love with Tina, so treating Jodi the same way is an indication that Bette is in love with Jodi; and, Bette's agreement to sent the message is a confirmation to Tina. Bette is also convinced that Tina wants to be with Kate, and they both express a desire for the other to just be happy. The mixed message sent by Tina is to Kate, not Bette.
The phone call to Tina for a final run through of what to say to Jodi upon delivering the sign is
not a mixed message, it is a misdirected message. Tina wants to say these words to Bette, but she believes that Bette wants to say them to Jodi. Bette wants these words to be for her from Tina, but she knows Tina is on the beach with Kate and does not believe they are meant for her.
I do believe that by season five, Tina is sending "come here" messages to Bette, even though she may think she is hiding it. I think the message at the pool with the partial nudity is hard to deny. She wants Bette's attention and she gets it. But Bette is indirect about her attraction, and the question about Tina's sex life only embarrasses and angers her. When Tina shows up with her dates in front of Bette she sees that Bette still harbors jealousy. At the gym, she feels Bette's jealousy, and feels her desire, but this does not translate into a desire to leave Jodi for Tina.
At She Bar, Tina finally tells Bette that she doesn't really like the dating scene and that she has no particular interest in anyone else. Tina still believes that Bette loves Jodi even though she is interested in Tina. Her saying you're lucky you have Jodi is not a mixed message, it is a question, a challenge, a test. Bette's message is yes, I'm lucky to have Jodi, but the KISS says I want you, and I've missed you; Tina's response is the same.
After the kiss, Tina knows that she can be with Bette, but it would be an affair because there is no indication that Jodi is going away. She avoids Bette and says she regrets the kiss because she doesn't want to have an affair with Bette, she know that it can only mean more pain for her, for Bette, and lastly for Jodi. She asks Bette straight out if she is "in love" with Jodi; Bette says yes. Tina is devastated, but she cannot forget the kiss, and she can no longer deny her passion. She decides that she will have Bette, even if it is an affair. She is going to make it clear, no mixed message in "stir fry." The message is, it can't really compare. Message received loud and clear. Message returned by Bette to Tina in the next love scene. The love is clear, the resolution of the fear of fing it up is unclear. Tina decides that she is willing to have Bette via affair if she must. Bette's message is less clear about whether she will leave Jodi. Thank god for the elevator. ATK
I loved this post ATK
because everything you said is so true...they missed so much and I loved remembering the scenes..but you see this is what bothers me, It is the intellectualization of what I see as this couple continues to ignore their intention. Yes intention...you know I believe that everything of this earth is about energy. You can be sitting in a room and someone will walk in and you can feel the energy shift sometimes it is good and sometimes it is not. To me this is energy that we all carry with us and that energy is born of intention. So if we have an intention, the wish or thought or feeling about something deep in us that matters, but we hide it and make intellectual excuses why, we are not expressing our true intention, thereby creating an energy shift that is felt by others. Oftentimes this creates a gap or awave of uncomfortablness that can be felt. Not understanding why there is a shift but only feeling it.
This is what I understand as the mixed messages between Bette and Tina. You see their intention is SEE ME, HEAR ME, WANT ME that is their intention always....it has never changed even in their darkest moments. Therefore their messages to each other is always mixed. yes we can intellectualize why and what but in reality they have not been true to their intentions and that is why they have missed so much. So I am not disagreeing with you really, I am just not choosing to rationalize or intellectualize something that I feel in my heart. Harmony is when your thoughts, feeling and behaviors are in balance with each other...Bette and Tina have not had balance or harmony becausw they have not been true to first themselves and then to each other and yes in so many ways....
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
I like the thoughts about energy
but it also means that they cannot read each other's energy. Are you saying that Bette's energy was mixed and that is why Tina couldn't read it? I saw Bette's energy as hesitant and guarded, but also very hopeful and loving when she posed the kiss question. She had to be somewhat confident when she asked the question or she would have held back. Tina's energy is already low with avoidence, she is already holding back, so Bette also misread this energy before she asked the question. Their energy was betraying their intentions or desires. I guess the energy (not just the intellect) was ruled by the head, not by the heart. Therefore, intellectualizing is already a large part of the equation. When positive energy meets negative energy, there is a battle, but, unfortunately, negative often wins. Its when positive energy and positive energy meet that the sky is the limit. I think this occurs in the elevator. I appreciate your bringing up this additional element--more food for thought. ATK
ATK
You see they do not have to read each others energy
All they have to be is true to their intention. remember I said first they need to be true to themselves if they do that they will be true to each other. Bette and Tina set their intentions long ago...their deepest desires is HEAR ME, SEE ME, WANT ME, LOVE ME, they hurt each other and stopped trusting those intentions. Trusting someone or something comes from a feeling that is rationalized in the brain. If they would have trusted their heart/soul/intenions they would have dealt with their hurt differently. That did not change their true intention which is I want you to hear me to see me to love me now it is covered up with junk. So therefore their behavior does not match up with their energy, mixed messages that truly lead to missed moments.
Understanding the true meaning of INTENTION is very important, once you do you then understand your motivation.
As a body worker and a Reiki Master...this is my work and how I intervene with my clients, through my intention. That is how I emit my energy. It is very interesting and a bit metaphysical but truly when you start to look at how the energy that we have and how we use it with people you start to see this on a another level.
So again I agree with you around mixed messages but I just see it on another level. Their behavior has never come into focus with what they truly do feel. So as Bette is saying would you and Tina does not answer, she really did give her answer intially to Bette she just withdrew from fear. The same when they were having tea, her comment I think I made a mistake was false to her intention she already knew she made a mistake she was just stuck in her brain and not her heart. Her mention to Bette that she was lucky that she had Jody was really coming from her intention...SEE ME..that is what Bette heard. All those comments Bette felt something different....she felt the energy from tina's intentions of LOVE ME but she also could not beleive becasue she was stuck in her head.
I know I know you all will say...but Jody was their, it was too soon after Henry, on and on...but you see all of that does not change how each felt, each were not being true to their intention, therfore there is an energy shift becasue of the mixed message. Have you ever loved somone and known with all your heart that they were not being honest with you and you could feel it, but could not touch it.....HMMM mixed messages. that has been the imbalance with Tina and Bette.....because when their thoughts and feelings do not connect with their behavior there is conflict.
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
Yes, but
As you mention in your last paragraph about KNOWING the person is lying to you---this is what I mean about reading each other's energy. Why didn't Bette know that Tina was lying or not being true to her energy and vise-versa. I think we can change our energy by our thoughts and therefore the other person can not see the true intention.
ATK
Oh yes...I know what you mean but remember
both tina and bette are not being true to themselves therfore the energy is mixed signals..because they are intellectualizing, they are hearingother things and not feeling.........~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
However in any event your post is very valid
I just felt like traveling on another level...that is all and thank you for coming along..although Stv has not come up with her novel yet....that would make me very apprehensive...LOL
As always...ATK....you are great....
Did you listen to the video that I attached to the LOVE question ???I thought it was apropo.
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
LMAO... TOTALLY The Heart of the REAL SUBJECT!
GOSH....
LD... you and ATK are just having the party without me... well see you may not believe it but I have been working on this very same topic and YEP LD guess what see YOu already wormed ATK up b/c we were again ON the same type of idea plane here...
Yeah no surprise huh... Well I am working on mostly just adding to this very good discussion of the minds... and of course I will post my humble reply as soon as I finish it up... so ATK if not tonight check early in the AM as you know I keep some strange hours in general...
GOSH... LD you really have put a lot of what I was creating here and really in a great fashion... I must say.... some days we just really see things on a level field... Ok so ladies thanks for bearing with me as you know I am thinking an gathering my thoughts here .... BUT know it will be up if not tonight then by am...
Love & FRIENDSHIP ALWAYS~
B&T FOREVER
STV
I am not surprised that we on the same wavelength
Yeah ATK and myself have been flying high with discussions...it has been great and yep I warmed her up for you...LOL..you better make it good because you know she will give you a run for your moneyl...LOL
I am anxious to read this book myself.....
LONG LIVE TIBETTE: That is my STORY and I am sticking to it !!
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
OMG...ATK...
OMG... back out the gates with a WHOPPER... LMAO...
OMG... ATK you do not need me to say that YOU had me on the floor not to mention SCREAMING my head off... I can hardly imagine what my neighbors must be thinking... OMG... OK give me a minute... OK just a minute to formulate my HUMBLE reply... You may be amazed it will not be a super long novel as I know you may be expecting... LMAO no I have a really BIG fish or shall I say TINA to fry... OMG... I was officially called out and you KNOW that just makes me LMAO... OMG and see I already had a CLUE it would happen this way so YEP I was well prepared... so YOUR dear TINA sister TIBF... may need your WONDERFUL assistance as I attempt to well offer my HUMBLE reply... OMG... THAT was a GOOD one... then ATK see I will come back to you b/c OMG you broke down 2 seasons LMAO so I need to refuel and check my NOTES... Some Tina's you know I just have to stay on top of my A GAME 24/7 THANKS ATK & LUV GOSH you two make me actually LOOK at my NOTES... (well mental notes that is :-)
OMG... see what happens when I miss ONE day... GOSH I SO LOVE IT... A BETTE's WORK IS NEVER DONE :-) LMAO!
B&T FOREVER
LOVE & FRIENDSHIP
STV
Hey, STV, I have my fingers
in my ears so go ahead and YELL!!!!!! Can't wait to read you bed time story. ATK
LMAO... I LOVE IT.... PRICELESS!
My dear wonderful friend ATK... you know I am so tickled...
Ok in the mean time check out my MASSIVE TIBF reply you will see I put a lot os gusto into that one... TRUE BOLDNESS... Ouch I may be sent to the CAVE after that one it is so FUNNY... LMAO What ever you do... PLease do not drink as you read it ... I fear for your computer screen... LMAO :-)
YOu are definitely up next... LMAO... But I will be a bit softer... as you will be amazed at my real feelings on this one... BUT heads up... GREAT POST... I so loved it especially the EXACT moment you KNEW I WAS SCREAMING... That was PRICELESS... Totally floored me... LMAO!
So rest up... I will go and regroup and come to you all FRESH... LMAO... Too much FUN... PRICELESS!
Love & FRIENDSHIP
B&T FOREVER
STV ~CRACKING UP~
Great post, ATK
I loved thinking about those scenes from this perspective, and how you clarified the distinctions between missed, faulty, misdirected, and direct messages. Fantastic. You also show how Tina doesn't act in a vacuum ... between her and Bette there is always action/reaction. Thank you.
Thanks Misnoone
Yea, its kinda like a tennis match between them, serve, volley, and duck!
ATK
awesome ATK It was like watching the episodes again....Loved it
I am definately open to the mixed message/missed message philosphy....I will think further...but thank you it is always wonderful to see and hear another perspective....~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
subtle communication
Thanks LDAWN, its good to be back in the saddle of the L Word debates. I think when Tina said that she loved the way they communicate subtly, I think in most respects, its too subtle. gotta love it. ATK
it is that subtle communication that makes them who they are
and just heightens the passion.......Gotta love them....and we do ...!!!!
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
Just thought I'd share...
I don't know if anyone has seen this yet ... but I was just on Tibette.com and came across this link for a TiBette spinoff ... Apparently there is a 'movement' ;)
http://www.tibette.com/spinoff.html
LD - this is what I say - spin off schminoff! It's nothing without Tibette!!! :)
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Hey Portard! How's your two moms, you big gaymo?!
I am definately inclined to agree and it is breaking my heart
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
CALLING ALL TIBETTE FANS
Stv, Betina, natriv, TBF, foxy,luv, katiegirl, kabach, lake
I hope I did not forget anyone but I have a question for anyone that can answer.....WHAY the hell is going on??
everyone is popping with this spin off thing...I am hearing now that S6 is going to have a mystery. Story lines will be opened ended, webseries than drama only one actress will be going over, LUH being offered something through MGM. there is even some speculations on tina an Bette not being together, perhaps death Gosh. I am getting high anxiety here...
First of all I cannot imagine Tibette not being together even if they end with them together is better than apart.
the interesting thing here is that Showtime seems to be responding to the fan base and want us all to knw there will be a spin off...but why a spinoff if they are seeing things in this way why not just continue..what is really going on here...any ideas ""??? is just to get us all worked up??? is it publicity?? it is truth??? what what what..someone please !!!!!
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
LMAO...
LD...
Of course I am here... but I will if you like post a comment to this over in the new forum I created for all of the SPIN-off, and spoiler discussion... It seems it has grabbed us and taken over... and well my dear friend you know there are times I wish to well discuss certain topics away from our HOME... LMAO...
So if you would like to head over there and post a few new pieces you know I am always here...
Here is the link... http://www.ourchart.com/forums/bette-tina-spin-discussion-really
Lots of love & Bette SISTERHOOD ALWAYS~
B&T FOREVER
STV
I've been trying to ignore
all the rumors and speculation. I've skimmed through some of the ideas, but only to get a laugh from some of the wild thoughts people are throwing out there. Otherwise, I'd also be working myself into a frenzy with everything that is flying around right now!
The fans worked hard at trying to get the show extended for another season. Even though TLW has run its course, TPTB have come to realize that there certainly is a demand out there to keep telling "our" stories. Perhaps it is easier to do it as a spin-off to create the possibility of other TLW cast members making appearances. Plus, having already created a fan-base for the show it would likely be easier to continue on with a 'recognizable' character. There are other Lesbian shows out there (Exes and Ohs), but they don't already have an established following like TLW does.
In a perfect scenario, I would like to see all stories wrapped up in a neat little bow at the end of a series. However, to create a spin-off or a movie there needs to be a certain amount of open-ending.
By creating a 'buzz' it does get people exited about the possibilities, plus it shows TPTB that there is enthusiasm for future creation. If this news had come to us and the reaction had been a really quiet and who cares type of attitude, then they would know there is no point in developing future projects.
As much as I would like to see Jennifer/Laurel working together in the future, the announcement has been for only "one character." I don't want to see Tibette broken up at the price of seeing a future show with only one of them. Therefore, I'd much rather see one of the other cast members with the spin-off and see Tibette ride off into the sunset together with the 'happily ever after' that they so richly deserve. Had they decided to do things differently and wrap S6 with everything resolved, then I would say sure create a new show with Jennifer or Laurel as a new character...
So my advice LD, would be to sit back, relax and let the chips fall as they may. Have expectations that IC will do right by Tibette. If things go 'pear-shaped' when S6 airs in 2009, that would be the time to freak out! LOL :) Otherwise, you're going to be a wreck before we even get there...and we don't want that to happen...
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"It matters not Who you love, Where you love, Why you love, When you love, Or how you love...It matters only that you love." --John Lennon
Good advice and I have just about come to the conclusion to
shut off my hearing or eyesight since that is the case...LOL
I am with you though I would rather see JB LUH go off in the sunset together. Leaving that open ended always opens doors to future movies etc...Not having them togher is the greater evil for sure....
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
oh my!
Well, I think that as of yet, the only thing that is OFFICIAL is that something is in the mix.
IC has reportedly said that there will be the open ended series finale which will continue on the web. THIS I don't get. How in heck can it continue on the web??? Seriously. Webcasts will obviously NOT include the whole cast. I cannot see JB settling for something like webisodes of TLW, and I'm sure the other actors will aim for something BIGGER than that (webcasts, not the show) for their own careers. For instance, I know Leisha has said she is looking forward to spending more time in the musical world because her schedule for TLW has sometimes gotten in the way.
Anyway, my understanding that the thought behind this is that after "continuing on the web" there's hope for being picked up by a studio. Maybe Logo or something like that.
The whole thing is very confusing and I think is sparking a lot of wild rumors. It's definitely hard to know what to believe, what is rumor, and what is the hard, honest truth.
I think what this all indicates is that IC is planning for what will happen next. I really feel that there probably aren't any concrete plans in place at the moment. So, I'm not going to panic...yet!!!!
Most of you all read more than I do on the web regarding all this stuff. I tend to find out last. LMAO! So, if there are an actual announcements from IC or Showtime or any of the actors' camps, please let me know! LOL
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Bette: "I did not f**k off, I f**ked up. I did not go, I'm still here."
well TBF I have come to the conclusion not to panic myself
You know as I think about it this is a great way to gage interest and also they really are listening to the fans...this is all positive...now we just need to hope that they will preserve our favoirt character...I do not care if they do not fo over to the spin off, I just do not want Tibette broken apart...I want them happy and together...and if that is open ended that will feel good for me....~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
oh yeah!
Let me just go on record saying that if IC breaks apart TiBette in a spin off I will simply not watch it. Nope. Sorry IC and whomever, you won't get any of my money. Nada!
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Bette: "I did not f**k off, I f**ked up. I did not go, I'm still here."
By the time the season airs in 2009
Someone will have burned down OC I can see it happening...LOL..there will be hostage taking, ransom notes...it is going to be bloody....LOL..
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
Go to the bette thread...more news
old flame from college days will be doing a few episodes...check it out...Elizabeth Buckley LOL OMFG to much....
this will be Bette true test in her love of Tina and her daughter..for sure...but she will pass it....Breathe Deep !!!!!!
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
LDawn
I hope it's okay to chime in ...
I think I'd be surprised if there's character death involved in S6, at least for the core cast. After all the uproar with Dana ... I know IC likes controversy, but I do think she'll need her core audience's support to make this spinoff work. Killing a character is a big risk at a time when she'll need clicks and $$$ to keep going.
MGM and Luh? I know L-word.com reported a development deal that Laurel apparently now has with Fox. They quote a "source" and that's about all we know.
It was certainly a good way to get fans buzzing, that's for sure. :D I think they probably knew the vagueness would get this kind of reaction.
God that is my hope but the campaign at Tibette.com is a start
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
LD
I only read your first line then stopped. I did read rumors of a spin-off but I'm not putting any weight behind it. I don't read spoilers, speculations or any of that. It's been kind of hard to be on the OC lately, to be honest....skimming over a lot of posts...deciding not to read them.
All I will say is that I believe in TiBette and I think IC would be a fool to do anything to mess with them. The majority of viewers are TiBette fans and she'd be ruining any chances, imo, of future success if she pissed off that many lesbians.
So, I'm going to continue to do my best to avoid rumors, speculation and spoilers. I'm going to keep the faith. When the last episode of season 6 airs is when I'll know whether I'll ever support anything IC chooses to do in the future.
Out of sight out of mind
How could you forget me, LDAWN????? Anyway, I really think that the spinoff is going to be for the YOUNG people, so I don't think either of the Tibette characters. After all, future $$ they see coming from the youth. I also got that terrible sinking feeling about a death of one of Tibette, probably Tina from IC's point of view. I hope we are all just over reacting. ATK
Yikes! I so hope that isn't true
but I guess I can see that happening. I think in one of the spoilers they mentioned Bette moving to New York. There is no way she would move to New York if Tina was still living in L.A. due to the joint custody of Angelica so if Tina was out of the picture that would make more sense.
Just thinking about it makes me cry......
Oh so sorry ATK I knew there was one more, senior moment
Yeah I am with you...and I am afraid that the death is tina also that would be the only way to separate tibette as I think JB will be the carry over perhaps as a narrator or something like that. and the story line would continue somehwere else as Bette and ANGIE....move away......
Just the thought of this....gives me heart palpations....~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
holy crap, batwomen!!!!
Speaking of Batwoman, where in heck is Lake these days? I hope she has some free time soon!
Anyway, I just printed off the 27 pages of discussion that I was able to read while my head cold distracted me! Crap, women! You all rock! LMAO...and kudos STV for keeping up with everyone...LMAO...
Okay, I'm gonna give this all a read today and tonight and I'll put in my 2-cents (not that ya'll need it, but it makes me feel good! LMAO)
I'm going to have to go through my notes and pose a good Bette question to give the Tinas a break! LMAO...
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Bette: "I did not f**k off, I f**ked up. I did not go, I'm still here."
there appears to be only 2 active Bettes at the moment
however I do think we are up for the challenge...Not sure where is Lake really missing her but life does have a way of interfering...Glad you are feeling better....READY SET GO !!!!!!!
~Feel your intentions in your heart. Feel not what your mind tells you, but what your heart tells you ~
LDAWN
http://www.ourchart.com/blogs/i-sang-with-her-there
In-depth DISCUSSION :-)
Humm
Coming OUT OF HER SHELL...
Ok ladies... See this continued discussion of Tina and our 506 ep and well the elephant in the room got me to reflecting an also had me go back into our pages for a post from a member some time ago as we discussed 506 and our PRECIOUS ALPHA T in good detail immediately after this ep appeared...
OK ladies I was planning on bringing my reply to this original post forward but decided against that b/c as you all know I no longer have issues with 506... NOR do I feel confused or frustrated by Tina's boldness in Going after Bette in Stir-fry... MY mushy Bette heart has totally grown and I see the scene and Ep in a much more loving light...
So be warned if you do go back an read my original post to this TINA's forgive me :-) But I actually have a new outlook on this... (I will post my new updated view) see to me that is why I love discussing this couple especially when we have a nice mix "balance" of Bettes and Tinas b/c this discussion really opens my eyes to some things that I may have never seen... This is after all the reason for communication in the first place to learn more and continue our understanding of each other as we GROW :-)
Well ladies my intent in bringing this forward is to see how we all feel TINA has grown from this original post even more so into her ALPHANESS... And ladies keep in mind this post was made midseason so not all the facts were in yet...
IN FULL ALPHANESS... As hot as she wants to be :-)
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Ok so here is the REPOST... Tell us all how you think TINA has GROWN from this original post...
FEBRUARY 11, 2008 - 3:18PM — TCONGO
Who's wearing the pants now?
Tina is taking charge for the first(?) time and isn't that really hot? Should we dare analyze this new phenomenon,Alpha Tee. Yeah, so sexy. Go 'head girl wit yo' bad self, AT!) Hmm...
AND THE WINNER IN THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES IS...
#1: SEX.
The last time we saw an all out love scene between Bette and Tina, who was the aggressor and who was submissive? It was late in Tina's pregnancy and she took total control sexually. Bette was at her mercy, surprised, and curious. Bette certinly knows that Tina can be sexually confident since that was her last experience.
#2: CODEPENDENT NO MORE
Bette tries to care for the couple by wanting what is best for them without too much regard for what she needs. Tina's response that they must do what is best for each of them is supposedly a parry against Bette's attempt to control her. However, when Tina put the couple first, with little thought about her own needs, she was being passive.
#3: CAREER
Tina is at the top of her game as she's worked her way up to VP. Ain't no stopping her now, she is a power broker and won't take shit for anyone because she is really a master negotiator(manipulator?. She has shed wifey and mommy and now has come into her own working in the industry she once left because she hated it. She returned to it because she had no choice but now loves and look what she's accomplished. She bad.
#4: PERSONAL GROWTH
Tina has steadily grown personally, albeit at great emotional expense to others. From Helena, she realized her sexual attractiveness and prowess; from returning to Bette she had the stability of an adoring partner who allowed her to use that as a bridge to autonomy; from Henry, he got the gift of support for her independence; from Kate she got a relatively painless rentry ticket back to her lesbian community where she could truly express who she is. Except for Kate, Tina left a relatively large amount of emotional carnage.
#5: THE CHANGER AND THE CHANGED
Tina invests in Angelica's growth, no doubt. She is a good mother. But what of other's needs. She cares for other's needs solely as it relates to her own needs being met. She no longer can afford to have an altruistic bone in her body. She walks into Bette's house fully intending to f--k Bette when she knows how much distress it will cause Bette. But, this is the new confident, take no prisoners, Tina.
#6: HIERARCHY
Tina deeply believes in traditional hierarchy. Someone must be on top ("I don't know about you, but I don't want to keep my subordinates waiting that way.") This thinking allows her to move without the encumbrances of conscience and responsibility because someone else can ultimately be made responsible. In a hierarchy, someone on lower on the totem pole is always available to take the fall. Bette does not control Tina anymore. This can only mean in the world of hierarchical relationships, is that Tina is on top and Bette is the underling. Who will ultimately take the fall for Tina's bad behavior?
#7: RISK TAKING
Alphas take real risks. That's what makes them so visible and strong. Tina risks little by relying on a sure thing. She f--ks Helena, watching Helena put the final nails in Bette's career, while she plays them. She knows each of them wants her so it's a no lose situation. She leaves Bette for Henry, again after she clearly establishes that Henry will take her (she knows Bette grieves for Tina.) Kate approaches Tina and now since Tina wants to be done with Henry, and Bette is occupied, she feels relatively comfortable taking this leap. She hangs around and feels Bette out and with her newly developed sexual prowess, takes Bette(who BTW is a sure thing).
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Well Ladies I can not wait to see your wonderful thoughts...
I know they will be very passionate and filled with real SPICE... and true love and respect for our dear couple... and WONDERFUL ALPHA T...
Love & FRIENDSHIP
B&T FOREVER
STV~THINKING~
Is it okay if I respond too? LOL.
I don't agree with a lot of it, either ... starting with the idea that Tina ever hated her job. That's not why she quit. Or that "Tina deeply believes in traditional hierarchy."
I believe Tina is as complicated as Bette ... I think there is duality in her, just as there is in Bette. If we can accept the contradictions in Bette's character, we ought to be able to do the same for Tina ... 'AlphaT' is too unsubtle a characterization.
I am with you on this one......<