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The Organic Debate

I went by my local vitamin store yesterday; I’m like a kid in a candy store. I love stopping by and chatting with my naturopath as I sip on my favorite acidophilus drink. Call me a health geek, but it is fun for me. I always learn something new and always leave with a refreshed sense of well being.

Yesterday, John (my naturopath) and I got onto the topic of organic versus non-organic. It is a debate which is pretty hot right now due to global warming. We are constantly being told to eat organic and shop local to help save the environment. This, of course, is a great point. When we eat locally grown foods, we eliminate the need for huge gas expenditures to transport our fruits and vegetables from halfway around the world. However, my naturopath played devil's advocate and brought up some interesting points.


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He grew up in the Canadian farmlands and talked about how his grandfathers’ organic potatoes were rejected by the huge corporate distributor because a large percentage of them didn’t fit the perfectly round, fist-sized shape that they called for. The farm was eventually bought out by that same company.

John went on to explain that some organic farmers chose the particular strain of vegetables to grow that would least likely be destroyed by bugs. They look through their crop and take the vegetables least affected and re-grow that particular strain. His grandfather would take the least harmed potatoes for the next year’s crop.

But here is the question: Why are we growing the strain that even the bugs won’t eat??? If insects aren’t finding those strains nutritious, why are we? Are we re-growing the most mineral-depleted vegetables just so the bugs won't get them?

John sent my head into a spin. He says he buys half organic and half non-organic and thoroughly washes the sprayed half. My thoughts went to all of the high-priced fruit and vegetables that I have been buying. Am I paying more money for fewer minerals? I still stand by my organic, but should I? The debate continues… Thoughts anyone?

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Non organic vegetables in

Non organic vegetables in fruit are grown in soil that is depleted of nutrients due to the pesticides sprayed on the produce. It would be interesting to research if any tests have been done on the level of nutrients in those certain organic strains v.s. the fruit sprayed with pesticides. I'm guessing the organic fruit is still better for you, and nowadays the price difference between organic and nonorganic produce is minimal. I saw an avocado for 1.80 at my local organic market, and at vons, a nonorganic avocado was 1.79...

I didn't buy into the whole

I didn't buy into the whole "organic" thing until I spent a while working in an all organic restaurant. And I mean all organic - from the dairy products used in everything to the wine on the shelves. And I swear, the food there was like nothing I had ever had before. All of it was just unbelievably delicious. Noticeably better than the "other stuff".

It's all about money

not everyone can afford organic, and here even if you can there isn't a large range to choose from. Personally, I buy non-organic fruit and vegies from local farmers. I really can't afford the 10$ for a head of lettuce ya know...

But, when it comes to meat choices I like organic best. It tastes better, isn't pumped full of growth hormones or antibiotics. I don't fear pesticides anywhere near as much as the excess of antibiotics in our meats.

organic is for those

who can afford it. seeing that i do buy untreated, handpicked fruits for double the price of regular vegs makes me actually feel rather decadent than environmentally conscious, especially, when bearing in mind, that a 100% organic production couldnt feed the world, whereas fertilized or genetically optimized farming could. this is another conflict, not to be solved by those feeling like "better humans", when eating, what 3rd world countries can't even afford in a "chemical" version - let alone, that organic veggies are not proven to be healthier.

"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it." Oscar Wilde

omg

naturopath.
you just said naturopath.
and acidophilus
you said that too.

i think i'm having an organic panic attack.

ps, your picture is from www.treehugger.com.

Love this blog!

When I had my first child 4 years ago I began to really try hard to have a mostly organic household. It really has paid off because on Saturday mornings I take my daughter to the local farmers market to pick out fruits and veggies and she helps cook at home. Makes for a not so picky kid! Also, I have been doing some research for my sister who has been diagnosed with Parkinsons. There have been studies linking environmental toxins in the development of Parkinson's disease. Research with rats that were administered rotenone, a naturally occurring substance widely used as a pesticide, destroys dopamine-producing neurons and causes symptoms of Parkinson's disease. Scary stuff!

Thanks for the topic

I eat mostly organic fruits and vegetables, as much locally grown as possible. There are many organic farms and farmers here, even a weekly radio show about organic and sustainable farming practices. There are so many reasons to eat organic (if someone can afford it). Kindness toward farmworkers (many who are women of child-bearing age and their children) is a great reason to buy organic produce. Farmworkers are exposed to high levels of nasty chemicals and wind up with life long health problems. Those of us who are in areas where there's an abundance of choices are very lucky. It seems many areas don't have limited produce choices and no opportunity to buy fresh organic food. For the millions of people who live away from fresh food sources, treated and trucked produce is no doubt much better than all of that processed stuff.
Lezbeth

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good point!

I definitely believe in supporting sustainable farming practices, and the farmers who spend more time and effort to give back to the land instead of just take!

I hear ya......

...my grandfather ( a Southern gentleman farmer ) wouldn't eat butter beans because deer wouldn't eat them! Lord, that was random - must be the beer......and the heat!

Nothing but love

Tex

Who loves Pot?

No, I don't mean Weed. I say we should all grow at least some of our own. What is more local than the pot of salad greens outside your own door? Just elevate them enough so they are not subjected to any furries in the neighborhood. And if the beasties tend to eat your favorite species, try coving them with nets; you can even use rainbow colors.

:)Taem?

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Good idea

if we all did our own gardening...except I try and try and still I am able to kill bamboo so i may need some help with that one :)

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Leah, bamboo is an invasive plant; you have a marketable skill. :) You might want to try sprouts in a jar for your first gardening badge, they were in the Daisy Girl Scout handbook about 17 years ago.

:)Taem?

Organic is our future........

Buying organic supports the farmers who are stewards of the earth. The soil, that the farmers are not polluting.....and the absence of toxic water run- off into our lakes, rivers , oceans and ground water supplies is another added benefit.

Chemicals do not belong in, or on, our food. Natural pest control is being used, successfully, by farmers all over the globe. Unfortunately, U.S. chemical
companies, such as Dupont, are encouraging the use of toxins in food production in developing nations. And, quite ironically, those chemicals, which are illegal to use on food products in this country....... end up on our shelves in the form of fresh produce and canned products, imported into the U.S. from other countries. Countries that are, so often, using the very chemicals that are banned and illegal to use in this country.

Our food sources, as identified by recent deaths and illnesses, is not as "safe" as Washington would like us to believe. Unfortunately, as with so many other "profit driven" issues, the public is rarely able to obtain the knowledge necessary to hold our elected officials accountable. Recent example : Tomatoes.... don't eat them, opps we mean Jalepenos from Mexico.... don't eat them. The Food and Drug Administration, a very expensive demonstration of political incompetence.

Built into the FDA's protocol is the lack of ability to trace tainted food and food by-products, quite by design. So we, as consumers, can only sit back and wait to see what will make us sick, or possibly kill, those who are young,elderly or have a compromised immune system. Not to mention what it does to those of use who are , presumed, healthy.

If we're pro-active, and support organic farmers, we can help to maintain our own quality of life, and perhaps , have an impact on the health of others.

Thanks for the blog Leah........ excellent topic.

:)

Holy cow, LongBeach.....

....I'm gone for four days - come back - and you're all philosophical and all knowing all over these blogs - keep it up - I think it's hot!

Nothing but love

Tex

Hi Tex......

Glad you got home safely !! Sounds like you had an awesome time.

Oh yeah.... they done learned me good in Law School. duh...

Right on LBDL

I agree with you and with Rovermom. :) Peace, Jodie

I agree with you about the

I agree with you about the FDA and that whole imported food from other countries. Our foods have been corporatized to a T. Since the FDA was and has been trying to keep it's eye on America's use of chemicals in our foods, not only for health reasons but for environmental issues that arises...the corporate has bought out EVERYTHING...leaving the people with scraps. The corporate has it's ways of going around laws.

one of the most important things, is to buy local and in season. Get to know the people who grow your food. I want to support my local farmers, not only because it's healthier for my pocket, but it's also healthier because they are not run by the corporate ethic and their abuses of unnatural ways.

rovermom :)

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i will join John and add another

devil's advocate considertion to the equation...if I convinced all my neighbors to only buy local to reduce emissions and save the environment, are we subsequently putting those other producers out of business that would otherwise be getting revenues from their transported goods?
Also, on a semi-related note, re. farmers and their crops, I saw an interview with a guy who decided to raise an acre farm of corn for his documentary; he and his buddy collected their 14 cent subsidy from the government, and the result was an acre of corn not fit for human consumption - turns out, most of the corn being produced and subsidized is not fit for eating (a la corn on the cob), so now, the manufacturers and others have had to find use for all this corn being grown and federally subsidized; the net result - go to the store and try to find something (non-organic) that doesn't have some corn derivative (corn syrup, etc.) in it - you will be hard pressed to do so...
I would also concur with the point Scoops makes - bugs eat a lot of stuff that I would not ever eat, so I wouldn't necessarily use that as a gauge for determining what is fit for human consumption...
I am just happy that right now I can find local cantelopes - Eastern cantelopes are a little bit of heaven and I will be sad when the summer and my cantelopes are gone...
Thanks for the food for thought (no pun intended).
Peace

Contents

At least when I buy organic fuit, veg and yogurt I know what I am getting.Ok organics might loose a few minerals along the way but the contents are natural and no one is harmed in the making of them (not even the bugs who like to have a munch).
I will say one thing tho, it kills me when they are placed next to non organic food and the natural product is almost twice the price..
So for me I try get as much organic as possible but sometimes I use the cheaper substitute.

Cost

Organic produce is more expensive because farmers take a much larger financial risk when growing organic crops. It's riskier since they can never be sure whether the majority of the crop will survive. As a financial cushion, most farmers charge more for organic produce to ensure that they can continue to grow in future seasons even if they do have a poor crop. Most of the time though I think that it's worth the extra money to buy organic since you are supporting local farmers. Buying local means that you are putting money back into your local economy which in turn, has positive effects in your very own neighborhood. In short, organic is great. Take it from me, I live on an island with a lot of farmers.

All food is organic!

Ok so starting off as a bit of a know-it-all, but as a biologist this is a pet hate of mine when words and procedures get "lost in translation"... Organic is a term applied to any form of living matter, not how much pesticide it is drenched in!!....that aside, I do agree that to eat foods that are as chemical free as possible is less harmful that not.

However, getting back to the Canadian potato grower Leah described, he was adopting a method of growing crops (and breeding animals for that matter) that has been going on for thousnds of years called selective breeding. Basically the desired features that you want the next generation to have are selected by the farmer and the hope it that this will appear in the next generation and so on down the line, so it could be argued that nothing is "organic" in today's world and everything has been messed with to a certain degree? Just because a bug won't eat a potato does not mean that the potato is bad, it is kinda like saying that just because some people don't burn in the sun, they must be resistant to UV radiation - a big leap to make...

Very thought probing question here

The majority of food I buy is organic and overall I still believe that the quality is better than non-organic. It does cost more but definitely worth it in my view. If I don't buy organic I do wonder if the fruit or vegetable has been injected with hormones, after all we don't get labels on the fruit or vegetables like packaged foods and even then we don't always get the full information.

Even organic fruit and veggies need to be washed before they are eaten. What do you think those bugs are doing on there!

Also keep in mind that some bugs prefer their fruit and vegetables nice and rotten.

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Don't panic, it's organic...

I've always equated smart eating with lesbians. And thus, smart eating with organic. Ergo, ipso facto, lesbians eat organic. Just adds up.

What cons are there to eating organic, other than the cost? The food tastes better, it's better for the environment, and overall it's healthier. Organic food is a part of my health insurance policy.

What's not to love about organic food?

Buy local

Plenty of it won't be oraganic, but you'll be avoiding the harm of emissions, etc for transport. Good for the planet, good for you! (Of course, we have no idea if John's theory holds any weight...Anyone on here an expert in this area, or just have time to research a bit today?)

~paz y amor siempre