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Kelly Picks a Fight
September 1, 2008 - 9:06am — Kelly McCartney
I'm generally the type to pick my battles, but there's a fight that's been brewing in me for a few days now brought on by the collision of ignorance and arrogance in one man who happens to be considered the new gay media king. Paul Colichman owns The Advocate, Out, GayWired.com, Here!TV and Regent Entertainment, and I'm calling him out right here and now.
Colichman was/is a staunch Clinton supporter (both Bill and Hillary) and a “die-hard Democrat.” He, along with Harry Thomason, even produced a documentary called The Hunting of the President: The 10-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton. Cool. Fine. No problem there.
Here's my beef:Colichman says that he recently, finally got over Hillary's loss to Barack Obama and had even written a check to Obama's campaign. Then he saw the Saddleback Forum interview with Pastor Rick Warren wherein Obama said he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. Supposedly, Colichman and his partner tore up the donation check on the spot: "I thought, 'Wow! He just threw the gay community under the bus.'”
Seriously, Colichman? Using your media empire to feed a story that does nothing but make you look like an idiot? Your arrogance is astounding, surpassed only by your ignorance of the matter at hand.
Your girl Hillary also opposed gay marriage. She says so right here:
Obama's belief system is rooted in his Christian faith. However, he opposes Prop 8 in California which seeks a ban on the newly legal gay marriage; he is also an avid fan of equal rights and has said "equality is a moral imperative" for gays; and he wants to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act because "federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does." When you add all of that together, it very much seems as though he has every intention of honoring the Constitutional Separation of Church and State, and no intention of legislating his personal beliefs. I truly think his experience as an African-American, along with the political reality and Constitutional injustice of separate but equal, will inform his decisions and, thus, override any personal hesitations.
Even if my deduction in #2 isn't true, we — as liberals, as gays, as Americans — can not afford to be selfish, single-issue voters. There are far too many things at stake in this election such as the future of the Supreme Court, the economy, the environment, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Social Security, universal health care, equal pay for women and more. We HAVE to think of the bigger picture here.
If Colichman or anyone else out there is gay and thinking of sitting this one out or voting for John McCain, you need to get over yourself in a big, bad way. If you don't and Obama loses, I will hold you personally responsible for the loss of a woman's right to choose, the death of more soldiers and civilians, the lack of affordable health care, the continuing rise of fuel and food prices, the devastation of the environment and whatever else will certainly be left in the wake of McCain.
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Enough already - John and Aston have had their little joke
The morning it was leaked that McCain picked Palin, I Googled her and assumed it was a joke. I haven't changed my mind.
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Very cute. :) I think his
Very cute. :) I think his name is Ashton though, or am I missing a joke somewhere?
PK - You're right it's my typo
I fixed and I believe significantly improved the poster. Refresh your browser and take another look.
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Really smart article
This is the first time I've ever seen a "political" post on this site that is grounded, realistic, forward-thinking, reserached, and meaningful. Well done.
I'm a populist who always believes in naming power and speaking truth to it; thank you for exposing this man and bringing his message to our attention. It is extremely important for people to recognize media monopolies, and it is extremely commendable when fellow bloggers do our actual reporting. More articles like this, please!
Oh sweet Hilary, I will miss you so...
Thank you for assuring us nothing.
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Kelly I love reading ur article!!! :D
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Kelly you're not fully understanding Colichman's point. You are allowing facts to influence your viewpoint!
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Kelly McCartney ,I would never speak for you or anybody
I have enough trouble speaking for myself on this site,if you don't think like(some) other posters on this site they get angry, your statement in your blog is a perfect example telling ppl you will hold them responsible just because they don't vote like you for Obama.
Kelly may not hold you responsible, but I totally will
Yes, if you vote for McCain/Palin or don't vote at all, I will absolutely 100% hold you responsible for their administration, same as I absolutely hold Bush/Cheney voters responsible for the Iraq War, 3,000 people dying in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, and for the rock-star-ization of Hezbollah in Lebanon and across the Middle East since Bush's UN ambassador encouraged Israel to invade. Yes, Bush/Cheney voters and people who stayed at home, you have blood on your hands, and I am not joking one bit.
Dammit, Bush/Cheney voters, how I hate you!
Vote Obama already; geezus crackers.
For the record I DID NOT VOTE FOR BUSH
I am a UNDECIDED VOTER and have been since Hillary got out of the race and have never tried to hide that fact on this site.If you R a Rep then you will most likely vote Rep and if you R a Dem U will more then likely vote Dem.This election will be decided by the undecided.
You're reaching
beyond reaching even.
OK, tell me how President Gore would have handled those?
Yeah, that's what I thought. They wouldn't have happened. There'd be no Iraq War because Iraq never attacked us; a guy who used to judge Arabian horses and is a friend of the Bush family wouldn't have been the head of FEMA during Hurricane Katrina; and Israeli/Lebanon relations would have been handled with DIPLOMACY. How is that not the fault of Bush/Cheney voters? Reach deez.
Yes it is reaching
because we don't have a fucking clue what Gore would have done.
For all you know he could have attacked Pakinstan, invaded the UK and allied with the Russians in order to take down China.
We don't have a clue, so frankly yes you are reaching. Also, when Gore was running against Bush 9/11 hadn't of happened (with the knee jerk call of vengence from a chunk of the American people), Hurricane Katrina hadn't hit (and the hurricane happening, the levies break etc is NOT Bush's fault, nor the fault of FEMA. It was a state matter the levies and getting people evacuated. Post the Hurricane is where to problem lays really).
So NO! It is not the voters fault because they didn't havea fucking clue what would happen in the world. Unless of course you are implying that you knew this would happen with the power of your crystal ball.
I say again - you are reaching. Next thing your going to blame Caesar for the destruction of the Ottoman Empire.
The American public is ABSOLUTELY complicit
in the failures of the Bush administration. If we just blame Bush we will make the same mistake again and again, which is exactly what's happening right now in the current election campaign. We are basically getting the government we deserve. The Bushies could not do what they have done to this country without tacit support from the majority of the electorate. No, we couldn't have known 9/11 would happen or that Bush would reverse course on foreign policy, but we DID know the guy was not the brightest bulb on the marquee!! People voted on who they'd rather have a beer with--give me a break!! No other country in the world would have made that mistake.
And the same thing is happening AGAIN with Palin. They are cut from the same cloth. "C" students, no curiosity about the world, don't really believe in the role of government, but for some reason still have the arrogance to think they should run it. Look how people are ignoring Palin's deficiencies because they find her "charming" or because they think "she's just like me." Next time I go to a job interview and have to discuss my credentials I'm going to tell them "I'm just your average hockey mom," and see how far that gets me with a potential employer--rightly so!
But back to Bush. Even if you didn't vote for him in 2000, Americans overwhelmingly supported going into Iraq. They couldn't have gone in without that kind of support. And don't tell me we were hoodwinked--we ALLOWED ourselves to be. The rest of the planet was pretty much against our going in there, why didn't that give us pause? No, instead average Americans started bashing the French, and Freedom Fries were born. Americans were just as arrogant as their leader. We as a nation completely forgot the lessons of war. First lesson: you can't control war. War has a life of its own.
I could go on and on, but it's too infuriating. Sorry, we the public, as a majority, are not "victims" of our leaders. If they have failed, we have also, as best evidenced by the current financial crisis and the fact that 50% of this country (according to current polls) support the guy whose economic policies are the EXACT same ones that got us into this mess! Wake up America!! Start THINKING for a change! This is NOT rocket science!
We all know what Gore *wouldn't* have done
Yes, hi, listen carefully: 9/11 happened because of Saudi Arabia. The neocon cabal called PNAC has been pushing since Clinton was in office to invade Iraq; Bush/Cheney voters put neocons in office so they could do just that. So no, Gore would never have invaded a sovereign secular country that had nothing to do with us and executed its leader; this policy is called the Bush Doctrine for a reason. Sarah Palin hasn't heard of the Bush Doctrine, so I'm not surprised you haven't, either.
And if you're telling me Katrina disaster was because of state and local authorities--when both of those authorities, governor and mayor, were on TV pleading for federal aid--can you remind me what FEMA is for? Oh yeah, here's its mission statement (and you sure as hell noticed them jump to during this hurricane season, did you not?): The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.
When we had an earthquake in 1994, Clinton was out there the next fucking day and FEMA was on the ground within hours. State and local my ass.
Bush invented the Dept. of Homeland Security in 2002, and put FEMA under its jurisdiction in 2003, appointing his buddy Arabian Horse Guy to head it with absolutely no experience. So no, Gore wouldn't have done that, either.
So if Bush and Cheney getting elected is not the fault of Bush/Cheney voters, whose fault is it? Your argument is that Gore might have been worse than Bush. This has nothing to do with my original argument: that Bush/Cheney voters elected a guy who brought about the housing fallout, the mortgage crisis, the crash of the stock market, a Shi'ite crescent of control across the Middle East, an escalating arms race with Russia, a food shortage, an energy crisis, incredibly high gas prices, and the Patriot Act, to name a few. I don't really give a shit what Gore might have done; Bush/Cheney already did all these things. And do you know why? Because people elected them to do just that. Oh, but they did that in a fucking vacuum, right?
Golly
I suppose I'm responsible for Bill Clinton screwing around with Monica Lewinsky and getting impeached because I voted for him. And creating "don't ask, don't tell." People, don't hate me!
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Well, we did know Clinton was a sleaze
in that regard. We just didn't know how that would shake out, or how obsessed the right wing would be with making this personal failing a professional one. I for one wasn't thrilled to vote for him (I was a Tsongas backer), because he did seem way too "slick."
Poor analogy
I see a distinction between "You voted for a President who got a blowjob in office" (which is true) versus "You voted for a President who destroyed America." Go turn on the TV and watch the stock market crash right now. You voted for a President under whom we had jobs. Bush/Cheney voters voted for the destruction of the middle- and lower-classes in favor of making sure gays couldn't get married.
Bush/Cheney have allied with corporations, bolstered military supremacy, scapegoated minorities, curtailed civil liberties, issued lying press releases, and blocked media access so that the only place we can now find the news is online from each other. Yeah, Bush/Cheney voters voted for that.
You voted for a guy who had his dick sucked in office. Not quite the same, is it?
Hoping, perhaps foolishly
What Bush/Cheney have done angers me deeply. I despise it. I direct my anger at them and all of those in their administration. The Republican Party just spent a week in my back yard. That made me angry. However, I channel that anger in positive support of Obama/Biden. And I hope that they don't screw up too.
I hope that the Obama/Biden message of hope and change is not lost in these days leading up to the election.
I hope their positive message, along with their policy positions, is what wins the minds and hearts of the voters of this election. I hope that I am not a fool in hoping this.
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Right on, Minnie
I will vote for Obama. And then we shall see. Jodie
I agree
But do you think people thought that that was going to happen?
I didn't vote on 2000 due to I was uninformed about my voting status while moving around, and overworking. But I sure was against Bush. I saw him as evil and had the worst feeling with him. But...
I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, I just knew he was not good, at all, for us. And in 2004, Kerry got my vote.
I get the same feeling with Palin. And well, McCain? I get nothing but "he's half there" like - I just don't think he's going to be around.
I tell you what I do hold responsible, the whole shamu, for letting him get away with fucking murder for 7, going on 8, whole fucking years - and them not taking his and Cheney's ass out.
If California can vote to vote early, so can we.
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I just wanted to say, I don't know all the answers
But, I really appreciate your passion and that you care so much. Right on! Jodie
"runnin on faith"
It's cool, I've been reading and will continue too. It's
important and I've always known that. I've always in the
past just studied up on how things played a role in some
issue I was working on. But now it's more important to see
the big picture. Thanks.
love & peace, Kathy
You know
you're still reaching.
I would never presume to put blood on peoples hands because they voted for Bush in his first term, no one could have known what would happen and how much the world would change in '01 - nor that congress would vote and send people into Iraq.
And second term, well, the road to hell may be paved with good intentions - but they picked who they thought was a better choice. Whether or not he was can never be figured out, but really, the time for change is now - I think you should be looking to the future rather then damning people for the past..
And this time, the Republican's have someone smart and articulate to go toe to toe with - there is no guarentee's for them here, and people are becoming more educated. Although I worry about those voting for Palin because she is a woman... scary prospects.
That being said, people vote for issues they believe in. I think it may be important to understand that before you start blaming the average joe for innocent (and not so innocent) deaths.
No one could have known?
How old are you? There were two entire campaigns talking about George Bush and Dick Cheney. George Bush and Dick Cheney were two of the most transparent characters in American history; who had more researchable political experience than Dick Cheney? And how many of the 7 telltale signs of fascism do you need to see to know that fascism is here? No one could have seen this coming?
And whether Bush was a better choice than Kerry--we're having the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and you still can't figure it out?
But that's the problem; no one really cares about the economy because no one understands it. Instead, people vote with their guts on oppressing gays or Mexicans or Muslims or legislating what people can do in their bedrooms or keeping women from getting abortions--all things which the government has no business legislating because they deal with private morality.
People are too ignorant to look beyond social issues that are nobody's business to see the grand scheme of things. Whose fault is it that no one bothers to fact-check when John McCain says "the fundamentals of the economy are strong"? If people elect John McCain, it will be their fault if he's elected. How is that even a contentious statement?
The same was and is true for Bush/Cheney voters; they are responsible for the Bush administration (which would have been the Bush/Cheney losing ticket of 2000 had it not been for those voters, for their desires to "have a beer" with Bush over Gore, who, if you haven't noticed, won a goddamn Nobel Peace Prize within the last eight years).
I agree
Probably most people did not expect things to get THAT bad under the Bush administration, but anyone in their right minds should have seen that things were going to get BAD. I for one could see this perfectly well - and I was sixteen years old. In the case of Katrina for exaxmple: was the Bush administration responsible for a natural disaster taking place? No. But was the Bush administration responsible for the way it was handled? YES. Should it be obvious to the voters that, among many other things, these people would not be capable of handling a crisis? Hell yeah.
I don't want to be judgmental here, but whenever the american elections take place, the first thing that comes to mind is, I wish I could vote. But I can't. I'm not american, I don't live in USA. However, my life - and pretty much everyone's life, believe me - is, one way or another, affected by the american policies. I have seen the obcenity of USA international policies (and I'm not referring only to the Bush administration...) and there's nothing much I can do. Amecican voters should think twice before casting their vote or before not voting at all, because what they do does not just affect their country and their wellfare. It has an impact on all of us non-americans. And yes, I for one will "hold it against" those that decide to vote for McCain or decide to "sit this one out"; and yes, I hold those who gave Bush a second turn - or did not vote in the last elections without a decent excuse - responsible for a lot of worlwide ugliness. Be responsible people.
Ignorance is not only of the uneducated.
Plus, age is nothin' but a number my friend - but incidently I am not American, and in 2000 I was caught up in my own election to give a damn about America's.
As for who is responsible for people not understanding the economy and the like. It's the education system which only teaches to test, not for actual knowledge. It's the media for not giving anything that is even remotely balanced, and at times true. Not everyone has the access to the information, and if they do they don't know (often because they weren't taught) how to access it.
I hold lots of things responsible... but not the people that voted for them, because in many cases for reasons beyond them and their 'ignorance'. And I wont blame people for that... maybe you should try and go out and educate those who don't understand. Maybe more individuals should try and educate on some of the bigger issues.
As for Gore - I don't give a fuck about him tbh. He could be a saint and I still wouldn't care. Winning a Nobel Peace Prize doesn't necessarily make you a good President. Same as being a son of a President - who wasn't that great of a President anyway :).
We have socialist organizations called "libraries" here
They actually hand out books there--for free! Bonds, shareholder activism, foreign market interaction, inflation, the gold standard--any evil socialist library will give you a book on any of those subjects and not even ask you to pay for it! I had never taken an economics class in my life, but at some point I said to myself, "Hey, you know what? I don't know anything about that. I should probably get a book on the subject." Who are these horribly broken people who can't get themselves to a library but who then vote Republican? Who can find the polling booth but not the library?
Typically, if you don't know something about an election, you shouldn't vote. In 2000 we had 50 million Americans turn up to vote for George Bush, 23 million of them Evangelical Christians who supported his religion. His religion! Our Constitution has a separation of church and state clause, and 23 million people (give or take) are too venal to know or care? And not all of those people were single-issue-voters; some of them were college students who just thought voting Republican is what you do. Don't give me any bull on the education system; it might be broken, but it's because we can't afford books. Well, there are books for free--at the library! (See above.)
70% of Hillary Clinton voters in Kentucky said in their exit polls that race mattered to them in their presidential choice. In other words, they were not pro-woman but anti-black-guy. If those voters go vote for McCain now, and if McCain wins, how is that not because they voted for McCain, even when they knew better about policy?
And if you are entirely unfamiliar with the last two elections because you're not from here and were concentrating on your own elections, I would wager that you're entirely unqualified to be making statements like "no one could have known better" and "maybe people should educate each other." Woman, I'm trying to educate you right now, and look how well that's going.
And, um, actually our last President who got a Nobel Peace Prize got it when he was in office: Jimmy Carter. As President Carter said:
"But who comes to me, huh? Fucking nobody. Why ask old Jimmy anything? What the fuck could he know about peace in the Middle East? It's not like he fucking won the Nobel Peace Prize for that shit. You myopic pricks. Back in '79, I sat Sadat and Begin right down and made those two dicklicks shake hands. It was beautiful—I had all the pieces lined up and I smiled and waved in my best fucking suit and tie right there on TV. And what do you do, you pieces of shit? You screw the whole goddamn pooch.
"Funny thing about me: I actually fucking know shit! Not like these goombas trying to weasel their way into the White House. I practically wrote the book on collapsing bridges, inflation, and the working poor, fuck-o. I even got a degree in nuclear engineering or some shit. You know how easy I could swoop down right now like a guardian angel and solve all your fucking problems? Snap. Bam. Do it in my fucking sleep. Just fucking try me."
It's sad but people are not
It's sad but people are not taught how to critically think. Not everyone is able to absorb information and learn things at a rate that you are, it's so simple to blame a person for not knowing, but sometimes you have to figure out why they don't know.
What's the literacy rates in America? You seem to think that everyone is ignorant by choice, but sometimes it's by circumstance.
BTW: The education system is not broke, it is fucked the 'No Child Left Behind' act is seriously erroding the potential intelligence of the next generations. Previous to that the literacy rates weren't great. You can't pretend that the education system isn't even partially responsible for people not knowing how to access information, and then understand what they have accessed... and if you are - you are naive at best - or just proving that even with intelligence and articulation there is a certain degree of ignorance.
And now you are telling people not to vote in an election because they don't know what is happening - didn't you intially blame those people for the state of your country too?
FYI: I have tutored people who have literacy problems and who have learning disabilities who - shock - can vote! They can't always access information in ways that they understand. They are not stupid, they are not ignorant - they just need people to present information in an accessable way. Surprise surprise, they can't find it most of the time, and when they can it is often biased.
Should they not vote because they aren't as knowledgable, as say, you? Wouldn't suggesting that actually defeat the purpose of pretending we live in democratic countries?
Mind you, I am not saying that there aren't people who vote for some screwed up reasons that completely perplex me - but there is a large population will vote on what they understand in the policies - because that's as close to grasping what is happening as they can get.
RE: The Nobel Peace Prize - I know Jimmy Carter won one, but that doesn't mean that Al Gore because he won it would be a good President. It's like saying everyone that graduate Harvard Law School is a moral and upstanding Lawyer, just by association with the same diploma. That just doesn't fly.
Woman, I'm trying to educate you right now, and look how well that's going.
If this is what you call education, I would suggest you don't try it on anyone else - being smug tends to get many people defensive. Personally, it just bores me. And you're sarcasm, not as attractive as I am sure you think it is.
Illiterate people can't vote, to my knowledge
And neither can homeless people and neither can children and neither can convicted felons. I'm not talking about the disenfranchised population; I'm not saying, "Hey, illiterates, homeless, children, and felons--you bunch of slackers! You're responsible for this!"
In 2000, 205 million people were eligible to register, but only 156 million did. 156 million people were registered to vote and only 105 million did. That means 1 out of every 3 *registered voters* stayed home. The issue is not why they didn't vote; the issue is that they didn't.
Let's say three people are in the forest deciding whether or not to ford a river or, alternately, to go back a ways to the decent crossing. Everyone knows what the options are. Let's say one person votes to ford the river, and the other two people abstain, and let's say then everybody's shit gets wet and the undercurrent carries them downstream. There was a choice in this situation, and voting and abstention from voting encouraged the wrong decision; is it not their fault if everyone's shit gets wet when they knew they had a choice and chose unwisely? "Oh, no, it's the river's fault." "No, it's the fault of some naturalists for not teaching them not to go in the water." Bullshit!
So you're defensive, bored, and not turned on by me; what does that have to do with your unfamiliarity with American elections? Ooh, yes, and I fancy myself very attractive; that's the only reason I could possibly be debating your uninformed ideas.
Wow, snark now - even better.
I have said my piece - your arguments do not sway me to believe that those who voted for Bush are personally responsible for every death and every misdeed that Bush, Congress and Senate have let happen. That's my one point, and my only point, because I don't think everyone that voted, or didn't vote, had the means to make an informed decision.
Mind you, people here have that information, and I too am surprised how many people are going to vote for McCain/Palin, not because of their policies but rather because of sour grapes - or they don't personally like Obama.
That kind of scares me, and tbh, those people do piss me off too and they will be responsible, and should answer for, the government they vote in if they get into power. But it's only those with the means to access and understand I am including in that - not everyone blindly... I think that point got lost along the way.
I also think it's important you do start asking why people aren't voting. Understand that and try and get them active, get them to understand ('cause once again, just because you, me and the man down the road gets it - doesn't mean the 45y/o next door does) what their vote means. What power it gives them... and maybe get the information out there is a way they understand. *by you, I mean the collective voters of the US*
BTW: Your analogy is far to simple to describe politics - if only it were really that simple, the world would be a very different place.
I think you are mistaking
Kelly's opinion on what people should be doing for demands of it.
All in all though, you vote for who you'd think would be the best choice. This really should be based on policies rather then race, gender, creed or age - but it often isn't.
In the end though, you are responsible for your vote, and that's hwy you should think long and hard about it. Make sure it isn't just knee-jerk and make sure you cna live witht eh decision... after all, your vote doesn't just affect you, it effects your entire country.
And personally, any ticket that has Palin on it would have me running as far away from it as humanly possible. That doesn't even get into some issues I have with McCain.. :)
true
the PALIN ticket has most American women I know upset, mad as hell and scared! Action is needed now to defeat the GOP!
beyond me...we do need to
beyond me...we do need to need to become one and just say no to 4 more years.
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Let's not be another product of their profession.
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seriously?
When is the American public going to realize that there are huge differences between one's private personal beliefs and public political positions??? During the 2000 presidential campaign, Al Gore was supposedly opposed to gay marriage, yet eight years later and millions of dollars richer from the revenue generated by "An Inconvenient Truth", he comes out (so to speak) as a supporter for queer unions. Why the change of heart? Well, he's not running for president anymore and doesn't need to court the ignorant Christian moderates. If Barack Obama were to fully come out (once again, no pun intended) as an advocate for gay marriage, it would be political suicide, the Democrats would lose (again), and there would be no hope whatsoever for progress in LGBT issues under a McCain presidency. Instead of highlighting the flaws of Obama's positions and proposed policies, we should be rallying behind him because a Democrat in the White House is progress and progress is what matters most, not radical change overnight. To expect laws and ways of thinking to change overnight is just naïve and lazy. And to expect a politician (especially a politician like Barack Obama) to be perfect is just plain stupid.
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Ditto.
Ditto.
I have been slow to warm up
I have been slow to warm up to Obama. I still have many concerns. First and foremost, his ability to win the general election. But, I love Joe Biden and have been a fan of his for a long time. I believe they will make a great team and can move the country forward in a positive, progressive manner.
I view McCain's VP pick as a bold stunt move. Adding Palin to his ticket immediately made his campaign as historic as Obama's. Part of the attraction of Obama is people want to be a part of making history. It is going to make for a very interesting election.
Palin accepting McCain's VP call, offered up her own 17 year old daughter for national media scrutiny. She willingly sacrificed her daughter's privacy during one of the most difficult times of her life. I have to think about that...
Also, who is going to take care of her 4 month, special needs baby? She has other young daughters too. Is Palin going to saddle them with raising the new son? I don't like that either. The demands of the campaign and if elected, the office of VP is not going to give her much time to be the mother her kids need and deserve. Call me old fashion, but young kids need their mother. Palin may say she's a christian conservative who has strong "family values" but I don't see much "family" concern in her choice to pursue VP given her current personal situation.
That's what I keep saying.
I feel so sorry for those kids. I know what it's like to not be put first by my parents and it's not much fun. Doesn't speak well of her judgment in my eyes.
my son told me that his
my son told me that his father and step-mom told him and the other kids that there was a tier of importance.
1. God
2. each other
3. then the kids
Sorry...I don't see things like that. My opinion...how can I put into words that one person in my family comes before the other? It doesn't and I refuse to see or even let anyone in my family think they are ranked in order.
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"Offered up her 17 year old daughter"
You know I am a Democrat and I have to say sometimes I can see just how stupid we most sound sometimes to the Reps and other voters that don't like to say they are democrat.And what the fuck if this was a democrat woman running for VP that had young kids we would all be yelling for a daycare to be opened in the White House for her .And Democrats have always wanted woman to better them self and say woman should be able to work out side the home if they want too now Democrat woman are coming down on this lady .
What HYPOCRITES we are.
I am not a democrat
It doesn't matter to me what her party affiliation is. I would still call her out on this. Palin can not be so naive that she couldn't see this coming a mile away. All she had to do is consider what the press has done to Obama, Clinton, McCain, Bush. It's not a pretty process. In fact, politics is ugly.
As soon as she accepted, the world press turned their attention to Palin AND her family. They are going to dig into every nook and crany. You know it's coming. The press vets every political candidate. As hard as it's been on Obama and his family, I firmly believe this process strengthen him.
Palin knew her daughter's secret would come out. That's a big deal when it's played out on a world stage. A hell of a lot of pressure to force on her 17 year old daughter. I am a die-hard, proud feminist, believe women can do anything they set their mind too. That said, Palin choose to have her kids. With that comes responsibility. It is no longer just about her. Early years are so very important to kids development. Her 4 month old son is going to need more than her passing attention and a slue of nannies. I believe FAMILY comes first - not country.
Speak for yourself.
I'd have the same opinion if this was a Dem. However, the GOP would be hopping around like crazy people if a younger Chelsea had turned up pregnant.
You all know me (DeeDee)
I have made it very plan that I am a big Hillary fun (and yes she got FUCKED over by not only the Dems but the stupid ass press that was so in the tank for Obama)and yes I was so mad (and still AM)that I was voting for McCain.But after today I think Obama is making me take a 2nd look at him,what he did was soooo classy telling ppl to lay off Palin's daughter and that any body on his campaign staff that said anything bad would be fired .To me I think that was very classy of him .Now I am not saying my mind has changed but I am a little more open because of his actions today with Ms.Palin's daughter.
If the Dems go after Ms.Palins daughter and try to smear her I feel like there well be a backlash like you would not believe against the Dems by the voters and I think Obama saw that and put a stop to it.
That's what we've been trying to tell you!
Obama is a classy guy. Plain and simple. He's been that way the whole campaign. He can't control the media.
It WAS classy
of Obama.
In an unrelated story, this morning Karl Rove called Joe Biden a "big blowhard doofus" on a day when there was supposed to be a truce of sorts to focus on Hurricane Gustav.
Classy, eh?
Isn't Bush's nickname for Rove
Turd Blossom?
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I love McCain
I'm gay and I'm voting for McCain. The social issues in this country won't change in the next 4 years regardless of who's president. Therefore my vote stays with who I think will do the best with my money and this country's money. I'm also voting for someone who has a loyalty to this country. McCain wins.
Ok, here is a question for
Ok, here is a question for you.
Why do you think Mcain has loyalty to this country, and that Obama does not?
Isn't Obama a lawyer who was motivated and sought out to be a civil rights lawyer and sought out a grassroots to bring people to voting?
I see that as being loyal to the people in this country on a very home front.
I see McCain as being loyal, but more so in a distance...I think sometimes...and it is protecting, don't get me wrong, but it's more about democracy and brawn. Not so much at times about our own country (sorry this war, and Vietnam, has really fucked my image up of war and protecting us...) but more about spreading democracy where it isn't really favored.
Is McCain's loyalties with the people of America, or with an image of America?
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Vote for whom you like
But, even if you're right and "The social issues in this country won't change in the next 4 years regardless of who's president" the next president will probably nominate 3 Supreme Court Justices. McCain kinda like Thomas and Scalia so if he wins, the impact on social issues won't be 4 years. It will last for decades.
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