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Kelly Picks a Fight: Missed Education

Why is it that so many Americans are disinterested, disengaged, incurious and uninformed? Why is it that so many more are proud of that particular badge? The presidential campaign has brought this peculiar and disheartening situation to the forefront in my mind even moreso than usual. (I've also been watching The West Wing on DVD and it deals a lot with these issues.)

On one hand, we have Barack Obama, a Harvard-educated Constitutional lawyer who is tagged as an elitist wherein elitist is a derogatory term. According to Merriam-Webster, elite means 'the best of a class,' although his detractors certainly mean it in all its 'snobbery' glory. Personally, I view it in terms of intellect and I absolutely want the smartest person in the room sitting in the Oval Office. Sure, personal charisma also counts because that, too, is a cornerstone of leadership. I see both in Obama – tremendous charisma coupled with a great intellect. (I also see an honesty and thoughtfulness in him that I've not seen in any other politician.) Partnered with him is Joe Biden who may not have either of those characteristics in the spades that Obama does, but he is still a charming and smart guy in his own right. He's grounded and authentic, as well.

On the other hand, we have John McCain and Sarah Palin who, much like George W. Bush, seem dead set on making their ignorance and subsequent commitment to it the only parameters of qualification. They hurl mistruths and insults at anyone who dares to question them, then they hope that vitriol passes as substance. And it does... at least with the 'aw shucks good ol' boy' set.

 

How did we get into this predicament? I actually think the problem largely stems from poor education (along with a fear that comes from lack of exposure to different cultures which is a byproduct of our particular American brand of xenophobia). We continually lag behind Canada, Japan, Korea, Finland, Belgium and a dozen other industrialized nations in education. In 2005, the United States was ranked number 18 out of 24 nations in terms of the relative effectiveness of its educational system by UNICEF researchers. And it shows.

One of my pet peeves is bad grammar (Just ask Moon.) which is simply another subset of all this intellectual incuriosity and a definite result of a weak education system. We rank 18th because, on a whole, we say things such as “there's three girls that like me” and don't know why that's incorrect; nor do most people know the proper usage of 'me' versus 'I' in a sentence. How can we truly lead the world when we don't even speak our own language properly?

Obama is the quintessential American success story for the way our system is supposed to work but so often doesn't. He is a living, breathing example of what can happen with a GOOD education and is, therefore, committed to raising our standing in that silver bullet arena so that failure becomes the exception to the rule. He's so very much the 'most likely to succeed' guy from high school.

McCain and Palin, however, are the jock and the cheerleader who will flex their muscles and bat their eyelashes to get you to do their homework for them. And, if you don't look any deeper than the surface, you'll certainly fall for their charms... and get totally hosed.

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While I think the ignorance

While I think the ignorance in our country is a bit more complex than an education problem, no doubt, school is a huge site of social reproduction. In fact, the common school, which we now know as public school, was created to train children to be factory workers, hence the repetitious, seemingly meaningless drills and exercises, and the 45 minute periods. Perhaps it is surprising, but schools have not changed much from this factory model. Why aren't students taught to think critically in schools? Think about it's purpose: why would you want your mass labor base to be smart enough to realize they are getting short changed? Ignorance is the cheapest tool for the rich to protect their privilege. While we are no longer factory workers for the most part in this service economy, our mass ignorance is still a powerful tool for those in power, as you so clearly articulated and bemoaned. School is not meant to educate, but to maintain the status quo and make it look justified.

Dr. Who is a subjective bastard...

...Cause if he were objective, he'd be Dr. Whom

:P I love geeky grammar jokes

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Kelly, I find myself nodding

Kelly,
I find myself nodding through all of your blogs. You really speak the truth. Keep it up!

Oh, and West Wing on DVD= my heaven.

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Hey, thanks!

I don't know how many times I've watch my DVDs, but I learn something new each time and they are eerily predictive of current trends.

Grammer

The correct sentence would be There are three girls who like me. There's implies There is, and is is only applicable when used in implying a singular object. Are, on the other hand, implies plural. You could attempt to create the contraction there're but it would sound rediculous, and I am pretty sure not a word recognized in the English language. Not that any of this really matters. Because language is just a medium in which to communicate ideas, therefore is subjective. In the end, all that really matters is what you are trying to convey and whether others are able to understand it.

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I have to disagree.

I think how you get somewhere is just as important as arriving. How we convey our message is, therefore, just as important as the message itself. Very few people would say 'There is three girls who like me.' But, due to laziness or whatever else, almost everyone says 'There's three girls...' It ain't right! (I do approve of using bad grammar in humor.)

Rediculous

Rediculous! I love that. Imma make that my new word for something that I think is ridiculous and makes me see red. Thank you for that spelling mistake. Hugs.

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grammarama

In the end, all that really matters is what you are trying to convey and whether others are able to understand it.

in the above sentence, the verb "is" implies a singular object but the conjunction "and" implies a plural.

What a coward

"John McCain suspends campaigning to work on economy, requests postponing Friday debate; asks Obama do the same."

This is what happens when you're tanking in the polls and your "game-changer" is bleeding out your independent voters.

Obama should make a counter offer:
There's not enough time to move back the presidential debates so let's flip flop the presidential and vice presidential debates, instead. Is Sarah busy this Friday night?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/campaign.wrap/index.html

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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What gets me is the idea

What gets me is the idea that he doesn't think people will see through it. Duh!
Taem?

McCain now seeking to delay VP debate

Did I call it earlier today or what?

McCain is asking to have the presidential debate delayed until next Thursday, the original date for the VP debate, which would then be pushed off to an undetermined later date.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain-camp-wants-to-post_n_129...

Speaking of education, what does a poor student do when not prepared? Fake an illness and ask for a make-up...

Yes, you sure did call it.

Hire Tina Fey

I just saw this on Daily Kos:

"Seems to me that the entire cancel the debate/suspend campaign ploy came about because of Sarah Palin's miserable showing against that intellectual powerhouse, Katie Couric. The honchos at McCain Headquarters must have shat down both legs when they saw that.

Now they want to cancel the Presidential debate this Friday and move it to next Thursday, thereby displacing the Vice-presidential debate.

If they do, Team Obama should hire Tina Fey and as many of Jon Stewart's writers as possible, buy air time Thursday night and let Tina, as Palin, debate Joe Biden."

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

Love it!

I would have a tough time deciding which one to watch and which to have a friend record.

LOL
Taem?

In defense of Katie

She's actually always been a good, tough interviewer. She was especially good during the whole 9/11 crisis when the morning shows went all day until the evening news took over.

Mind you, I'm not her biggest fan or anything (and Diane Sawyer is way hotter!), but I gotta give credit where credit is due...

p.s. by all means, hire Tina!

Obama's counter offer

should simply be to keep the VP date the same.

You KNOW McCain will insist that a presidential debate should be held before the VP one--so we're looking at a domino-effect, and I would bet that the real motive is in fact to give Palin more time to prepare. This is a well thought out smokescreen.

Just Heard

That on Sirius OutQ. I just hope the people that buy into it lose interest by election time. What a frickin joke.

I certainly hope that

I certainly hope that doesn't happen. I'm ready to see the debate, no postponing and no flip flopping!
Obama Biden in 08!

Great questions Kelly!

I applaud you for asking!! Too many people seem to be distracted by the 'shiny' objects that McCain and his party are flashing, to see what is really going on...

BTW-was this issue weighing so heavily on you this morning that you were unable to sleep?! My goodness...5:45 A.M. posting... ;)

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It certainly weighs...

but our time stamps are a little screwy. Moon posted it probably 8:45 East Coast time.

Isn't the issue really about a kind of laziness?

An unwillingness to do the hard work of being informed. Smart or not smart being informed is work. Unfortunately, it seems to be work that many of us have outsourced to talking head pundits who sacrifice their role as the fourth estate to boost their ratings; party surrogates who sacrifice political discourse by pedaling talking points and candidates who sacrifice their integrity to win.

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That's certainly part of it.

Even if you are given the opportunity (or the education), you still have to do your part to accept it, to imbibe it, to engage with it. Our system just seems to not even get most of us that far. Two wings to the bird.

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From my perspective, many Americans do lack motivation to develop and use critical and creative thinking. The fault partly lies in our education system, which is mired in bureaucracy and inertia. There are so many other factors in our culture, however, that play into this that I'm hard pressed to start naming them.

However, I do not place all intelligence in the category of formal academic education. There are different kinds of intelligence and academic education is just one way to foster intelligence and ways of knowing. It is just that academic education has grown to become a primary means by which we learn about history and the world. And, in particular, higher education can open up doors to many people and opportunities we would not have discovered otherwise. That is why I am so involved in working to see that young Latina/os have access to higher education.

For Obama, ironically, having this opportunity has been twisted into a negative by those who try to separate us via the culture wars. Those who know how to manipulate such a positive into a negative are intelligent in a way that scares me to death.

I agree with Grace and Peace Kitty about grammar.

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And I agree with you on all

And I agree with you on all of the above.

Another culprit

Is the idea that all opinions deserve respect. We discussed this on another blog the other day but it bears repeating. All opinions are not equal. Some are better supported than others but somehow we've gotten into the habit of believing that all opinions are worthy of respect.

I want to be absolutely clear. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion on any topic they choose. But I don't have to respect the opinion itself.

I also have a problem with the ridiculous notion of presenting "the other side" on every issue. It's no wonder people are confused:

- Want to write an article on the Holocaust? Better include arguments from Holocaust deniers.

- How about an article on global warming? Don't forget to include that one guy who says it's not really happening.

- Evolution? Quick; go get a quote from the folks who think dinosaurs and people walked the earth 4000 years ago.

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

Well

the problem here is - you don't seem to be able to counter an opinion with another opinion without attacking the person.

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I want to be absolutely clear. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion on any topic they choose. But I don't have to respect the opinion itself.
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You could try to respect the people who don't agree. I'm just saying..........

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Actually I do try to attack opinions and not people

But, you're right; sometimes I fail and let the snark flow freely.

On the other hand, some folks get ego-involved in their position and take any counter argument against their position as an attack on them personally.

On the other-other hand, some people are fucktards and it's hard for me to take them or their arguments seriously. Whew; that was close.

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

ok

progress made. Now about your opinion on opinions. I do believe everyone has a right to their opinion, everyone has a right to express it freely. I wish and hope they would do it with wit and class but; if not I'm a big girl and can deal with it no matter how it's expressed. I do take exception to personal attacks. I assume most people do.

I do agree every opinion should be valued and listened to. Yes even opinions that at the moment appear to be absurd, make you roll your eyes, chuckle to yourself or really cause you to doubt the other persons sanity. It's still their thought process and has value. Maybe not to you or me but them. I believe we should always, always, always encourage people to think.

I wasn't there but; I do recall reading about this crazy guy that thought the world was round. I know!!! I know!! What a stupid opinion. Oh and then there was another crazy guy who said the earth revolves around the sun. Ha Ha. But; the one who cracks me up the most is that crack pot and his relativity, shit their everywhere...

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Most people wouldn't even

Most people wouldn't even know, that the ones who pushed our world further in knowledge, and therefore expanded our intelligence, are those who were thought to be dumb and lazy.

and probably sucked in grammar.

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Title change

Maybe I should call it Rusty Picks a Fight!

Or, we could Tag Team

This is a great topic. But I'm supposed to be finishing some work and getting ready for a trip to San Fransisco tonight.

If I have time today, I'll explain my "Pepperoni Pizza Theory of Presidential Politics." (I taught both Political Science and Speech Communication.)

OK, it actually takes no time so I'll just spill it now:

A certain segment of the so-called independent voters, won't vote for a candidate unless they can picture themselves eating pizza with them. (see, Dukakis, Mike; Gore, Al; and Kerry, John).

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

For someone who says they are a debater/communicator

your inability to listen to the other side is shockingly one sided:

"I also have a problem with the ridiculous notion of presenting "the other side" on every issue."

The nature of debate requires hearing both sides and arguing for them. Otherwise it's just a lecture - however, professors are notorious their God complexes, often shared by physicians and attorneys...

These "debates" have long been settled

Well, two out of three of the ones Rusty named have been, and global warming is rapidly becoming so. There will always be some wackjob who wants to claim the Holocaust didn't happen--why do they deserve equal time? Similarly, the idea that "Intelligent Design," which is not a verifiable theory by all scientific standards should be taught side-by-side with Evolution is the greatest boondoggle in American education. And symptomatic of our dumbing down. "We should give students a choice" blah blah blah. Maybe we should teach that the world is round AND it's flat and let the students decide. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world, students are being prepared to compete in the new global economy. We do our students a GREAT disservice if we stay mired in old debates rather than forge ahead into the new ones of the 21st century.

Not me

Are you saying that people who argue that the

Holocaust never happened deserve equal time?

Or that people who use the Bible as proof that humans and dinosaurs co-existed 4000 years ago should be included in scientific discussions?

I gave 3 very specific examples of the types of positions I'm talking about. Don't take my words out of context. My point is that not EVERY issue has two sides that are equally valid.

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

no - i am not saying what you are suggesting

obviously or i would have posted under that...
i posted on your next one because my point was this:

"For someone who says they are a debater/communicator
your inability to listen to the other side is shockingly one sided"

Of course you presented 1 sided arguments to make a point - and arguments that no one on this site has made at all (especially not myself). That's sooooo easy - and indefensible... however when I presented a few solid questions to you yesterday you didn't reply.

My statement was that you claim to be a debater - but obviously your emotions take over and you just become a raging beeeeotch instead.

"and you just become a raging beeeeotch instead."

carlindesigner - dude; we're done here.

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

uhhhmmm

you had me/lost me at:

On the other-other hand, some people are fucktards and it's hard for me to take them or their arguments seriously.

Oh, the good ole days when we got along ... *scratching head* wait, that was someone else...

I'll miss you Rusty

your ass

musta gotten pretty chapped the other day...

How did we get into this predicament?

I can't explain it better than Al Gore. The Assault on Reason is probably one of the best books on this topic. Here's a few quotes from Al promoting the book.

"Reasoned, focused discourse is vital to our democracy to ensure a well-informed citizenry. But this is difficult in an environment in which we are experiencing a new pattern of serial obsessions that periodically take over the airwaves for weeks at a time--from the O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson trials to Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole Smith."
http://www.amazon.com/Assault-Reason-Al-Gore/dp/1594201226

"The point of this book is that our nation is so shockingly vulnerable to such crass manipulation. And it's happening over and over again – the censorship of scientific warnings about the climate crisis; the warrantless mass eavesdropping on American citizens; the overturning of a prohibition against torture that was laid down by General George Washington; and the fact that there is so little protest or outcry points to the much deeper problem not of just the culpability of those in the White House at the present moment, but at the fact that we are so vulnerable to these mistakes and that we allow them to occur with hardly any impressive outcry of resistance or protest."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10440121

Your friend,
Rusty
Check out my Obama / Biden 2008 Blog.
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“People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H.L. Mencken

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I love Uncle Al.

I love Uncle Al.

Whoa Kelly

I agree with some of your post but; lets get real. You can be completely uneducated or self educated and be dumb or smart. How well you speak or write has nothing to do with anything.

I persoanally base intellegence on the ability to learn and use that knowledge. I have over the years worked with a bunch of little boy geniuses that can't board an airplane without an escort, dress themselves or do basic ordinary tasks - this is no shit. These guys were given unbelivable deference because they were so "smart", while the rest of us thought they were idiots.

I've said this before and I believe it. The dumbing down of America is well orchestrated by the gov, the military industrial complex and the new global corporate America.

Smart(how ever that is defined), well informed, involved people serve no purpose to this gang. Except for the small sub-set that will continue to be the leaders(owners of wealth) while the masses are trained to serve.

The go along and get along, don't make waves, be a team player bullshit serves them well. The constant fear tactics of gloom and doom(there's always an enemy out to get us), people hate us because we're free crap and oh yeah all the other mind numbing insanity that WORKS.

Schools may attempt to teach kids to read and write(with limited funds, under paid teachers and uninvolved parents) but; as far as I can see no attempt is made to teach them how to think. How to process information, how to seek knowledge and even less energy is spent on problem solving. School has almost become a place that rewards getting out alive above all else.

To me America is like the drunk with "a low bottom", things have got to get really, really bad before there's even an acknowledgment that a probem exists. Even then some never try to change...

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The School System

My Mother *was* a teacher, she gets paid more now working for the post office and she couldn't take any more crap from the school system, from them not hiring her because she was older and didn't coach any sports to kids calling her the dreaded C word. She mostly worked in alternative and night school programs. One kid she failed. He didn't do his work and she failed him, plain and simple right? He still got out of there with his diploma despite that fact. They are handing out diplomas now just so they don't have to babysit kids anymore.

Anytime I've had a wonderful awesome teacher who did encourage us to use creativity was driven from my school either during my tenure or shortly there after. They found ways, driving them mad by letting kids pass, or shutting down creative projects, or (and this part is merely guessing) general rudeness from the other teachers who didn't believe in teaching kids to think.

I read an article somewhere (in college), and I wish I could find it now, that pretty much states that the start of the madatory public school system (when before it was merely those who could afford it) was created to turn kids into good little worker bees, mindless masses that the powers could control better. I believed what I had read and think it has only gotten worse.

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Drunkard

Do you think our low bottom is going to be lower than 18th out of 24? I agree with you on teaching kids how to think. Absolutely necessary. But I still say it's all part and parcel. The kids you noted are a different breed. I'm not talking about savants here. I'm talking about critical thinking and basic education that is being missed. When I was a freshman in high school, I was correcting my English teacher on things. That's not how it's supposed to be.

Tangentially related (at best)

And on that note, how low must we fall on the benchmark standards for health care before we actually take a stab at fixing that system?
How high must the price of gas rise for us to turn our energies to other energy sources?....Or must we wait until our planet is simply uninhabitable?
The amount of resources expended to distract us from the issues that matter is beyond frightening.
Why aren't we all enraged? When does the "spurred to action" phase kick in?

~paz y amor siempre

Kelly,

I was really trying to read all the replies before posting, but it probably won't surprise you that I have to jump in. I am a special education teacher, and I used to spend a lot of time at the top of Blume's Taxonomy while relating it to the personal experiences of my students. I designed units that integrated basic skills with Social Studies, Science, and Community/Social issues. Not to brag, but they used to send folks out to see my classroom and integrated some of my units into the district curriculum. Then this little gnat called the TAKS test came along. Want to guess who pushed it? Oh, how I love GW! Gradually, I was required to stop teaching my students to question and find their own answers. Instead, I now find myself teaching students with significant challenges to fill in one bubble for each question. It doesn't really matter that they do not have the language skills to understand the questions, or the social skills to sit through a day long test. Did you know that we now spend so much time testing that my students miss and average of 42 educational days a year? Imagine what I could TEACH in those 42 days!

Off the soap box: I agree that Obama has both intellectual and social intelligence going for him. I agree that our society does not value intelligence as it once did; Just look at the examples kids are given in popular culture. Better yet, look at how we treat our teachers. Go around saying that people teach because they can't do anything else or want the summer off, and you will stop getting intelligent, dedicated teachers. Stop supporting them when they try to insist that students actually do homework, show up for class, and treat everyone in their environment with respect, and you loose even more good people. Mandate programs that the government doesn't fund, while denying us any other way to get the money, and we will start banging our once idealistic heads on the wall. The end result: students and teachers who try to survive each day in the land of the undead.

IMHO
Taem?

PS A whole lot of us still do our best to dredge up the fairy dust each day and give our kids a fighting chance.

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And God bless you for it!

And God bless you for it!

No

Not what I ment. I'm talking about the public education system. People I was talking about were adults in the work force. Very smart, but; also very dumb. I just don't believe you can qualify intellegence, like almost every thing else in the world it's just not black and white.

What you consider smart, my not fit my criteria. Oh I am not disagreeing with you about basic language skills. I just don't think you can have a 2 sentence conversation with someone who doesn't speak well and assume they are stupid(Of course after 7 years of listening to George Bush, in this case I can make that assumption). I believe if you make the mistake of doing that "you" are stupid.

If you are saying our educational system is failing our children; hey I'm right there with you. Want to picket the local school board, call me I'll be right there with you.

Of course I'll show up with a plan on how to make it better. Talking points on goal setting, making the school day longer, getting rid of summer vacation, and diverting 50% of the military budget to education. Then promptly get kicked out on my ass

My other point is; the powers that be, want it this way. You can't believe all this is accidental??

You can't control people who - think... Yeah even the one's who do it with bad grammer.

btfan2

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We agree.

I don't think grammar is an indicator of intelligence; I think it's an indicator of education. And I do blame the system, for the most part. (There are also some lazy asses out there blowing wonderful opportunities.) And I also agree about the thinking thing.

Idiocracy

Have you seen Idiocracy? The world becomes so dumb in the future (smart people hem and haw over having a child, while dumb jock procreates like a rabbit and this continues for many many generations) that they pick the president based on who has the highest IQ. I'm really beginning to believe that can happen.

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Oh dear God!

Oh dear God!