
"You're never going to be right with Jesus if you keep having these thoughts," said my counselor.
I shifted in the chair that I was sitting in. A couple of times a week I sit in this small room with either the chaplain or church counselor.
At this moment, I feel small and so stupid for waiting until my senior year to come out. I went through my entire college career with a handful of people on my campus knowing that I was gay. And I sank the ship when I came out at the end of the summer.
Note: Don't come out of the closet while still enrolled at a Christian college where it's against the rules.
I guess I really didn't understand the magnitude of my decision until I saw the contract that I had to sign to maintain my enrollment at my university. Here are just a few of the things that are outlined in my contract:
1. Counseling with chaplain once a week:
a. Talk about my walk with Jesus
b. How my devotionals are going
2. Counseling with the church's Exodus Ministries program twice a day, two days a week which includes:
a. Gender role activity, which will reintroduce me to the opposite sex
b. A one-on-one session with a trained Christian therapist
3. All overnight off-campus visits must be approved by a university official.
4. Attend at least three conferences that help me understand my sin.
My Exodus Ministries group sessions are the hardest. I am ultimately learning to be subservient to my 'future' husband, allowing him to determine my spiritual, emotional and social growth.
There are other things that they encourage us to do
— not outwardly, but implied
— such as dating and physical contact (not sex, but holding hands and hugging) with the opposite sex.
The worst part is being told that I will not go to heaven. And I spend hours in meditation and prayer trying to fix my 'mental disease.'
"It's mind over matter. Pray harder. You're not doing it right. Do you love Jesus? What's wrong with you? I said pray harder. Get right with Jesus, you hear me, because he is going to come back soon and you're going to burn in hell if you don't," they would tell me.
At night I sometimes feel that it is not worth it and I break down, but other nights I tell them to piss off and I hold my own. I don't know what my future looks like as of yet. But in the spring, when I cross that stage with my diploma, I can actually say I survived and you did not break me. I am still whole.
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I'm so mad at you
I can't believe you decided to do this at the most inopportune time... but I digress, you know this already. I come from a religious background so I know how hard this can be and I truly wish you the best with this situation. I say, pretend for now that everything is sinking in but don't let them convince you that you're going to hell. You're almost done with college and you can move on from here with your education and knowing who you are. Trust me, many of them that aren't gay are going to hell in the handbasket coming down the assembly line before yours. I say, fu** them all, but not literally. lol
In the wise words of Margaret Cho
"i want jesus to come back and say THATS NOT WHAT I MEANT!"
"runnin on faith"
I live in salt lake city, ut. on the KSL news at 5:00pm
oct. 8, the LDS(mormon)church announced that they actively have launched a church funded campaign for people to vote YES to PROP 8 in California. Their argument is that it is
not a political issue it's a moral issue. This on top of
the things going on already in california could be lethal.
If other groups aren't already on this kind of path it may
signal them too. It could just set a stage whose cast may
grow.
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I hope you make it emotionally through all of this in one
piece, God loves us all, he made us all. At least as far back as the DSM III, we're not a mental health disorder,
disease or defect. I haven't seen the DSM IV but I'm sure
that has not changed. That's all you need to know to be
secure that there is nothing wrong with you. We are no
different than the rest of the population. We are ministers
criminals,school teachers,garbage collectors, we also like
to make life with a partner and raise a family just like
other people. There is no reason under God that we shouldn't have those same rights without bigotry of any kind. I wish only the very best in your life.
love & peace, Kathy
"runnin on faith"
I want to appologize from the bottom of my heart for
putting the information about the LDS church announcement.
I do hope you read the note that I wrote to you that was
underneath the announcement. I shoudl have not posted
the announcement here at all. I'm truly sorry.
I think what you are going through is hell on earth. But
like I said in my note above. God loves you just as you
are. You are not mentally unbalanced in any way. Be your-
self. If you have to hide it just to finish school then
keep the truth in the back of your mind and get through.
it's temporary. The rest of your life is your own.
Have a great Friday. I'd love it if you would write me.
love & Peacek Kathy
I Understand
I totally went to a Christian college as I was coming to terms with the fact that I was gay...man I picked a good time! lol...anyway...I transferred before anything like that ccould've happened...but know you are made in god's own image...he would never create you to be anything but the way he wanted you to be and he loves you just the same...no matter what...all he cares about is that you have love for him in your heart and love for others...no matter what the gender...hold your head up!
Heaven Has a Very Special Place for You.....
I am so sorry for your experience. I hope that you can understand that not all Christians are filled with such fear and ignorance. I am a Christian, and my faith helps guide me through every day of my life.
My experiences, both positive and negative, reflect only what I am capable of handling. God has guided me through some of the most triumphant moments in my life, and the most painful moments in my life........ we can't cast blame on God.
People are fallible, people can not speak to the perfection of Jesus Christ. When you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, it all makes sense. The answers are clear........
God, is a loving God. He loves you and me, in our times of joy, abundance and glory. He also is standing by us in our times of pain, suffering and ultimately.... our questioning of HIS existence. God is Love. Pure Love.
You have been blessed, and are loved by God. Please, don't ever doubt that. If you do...... ask, God will answer. I promise you that.
I am a woman, a Christian and a lesbian. God loves me. This I know......
God's loving arms never turn a believer away.......... :)
I've never been on a
I've never been on a christian school, but something happen to me that was a bit similar. When my mom found out I have a girlfriend things were burning.. She has never been so faithful or religious but since then she is making all the research possible to make me "straight".. she says being gay is not the right thing under gods eyes and that I should change. She has looked for therapists, priests, and people to talk to me to convince that I am wrong and that I am confused.. My girlfriend is coming to Mexico for my graduation on December, and I usually spend this holidays with my family but now we are not aloud to spend it with them because we are gay. It feels bad to be discriminated by your own family but at the end it feels good that I have someone that supports me and I will live with sometime soon..
I hope people could be more open and see things with other perspective.. Things are not always black or white..
My heart really hurts for you...
I hope you can continue to pursue your academic aspirations.
I also hope you know that not every Christian denomination or parish believes that a relationship with Christ and homosexuality are mutually exclusive...
My faith is very important to me, and I am thankful to be a member of an Episcopal parish that can understand that I want to gather in a faith community and worship just like they do. My parish is very GLBT welcoming - the particular Episcopal parish I was raised in is more conservative; I stayed away from church for many years, but the tugging in my heart led me to a parish that very much feels like home to me.
It is God that gets to judge us in the end... and if only people who were "free from sin" were free to worship in a faith community, I fear there would be nothing but empty parishes around the world.
I hope you find peace in your heart,friend, the Peace of God, because that will sustain you.
Good luck with all your endeavors.
Peace
Stay strong!
I have been in a similar situation. I went to a Christian undergrad (Lee University) and then to a Christian grad school (Regent University). There were many times I was questioned in undergrad, actually one of my roommates told her mom that she thought I was gay and her mom called my mom. That was awkward. My grad experience was too much to bear and I left the school after a year. I was half way through getting my masters in counseling and I still left. These can be the worst times, but it makes you stronger in the end. Please keep your head high. You would be surprised to know how many other lesbians and gays are at your school. I know I was and actually even one of my teachers confided in me that she was a lesbian. I know these times are hard and you have conflicting emotions, but just stay true to yourself. You know who you are at the end of the day no matter how much they try to break you. Stay strong!
what would jesus do?
1. drop out
2. transfer
3. overturn a table
4. turn the other cheek: it's such a profound teaching, so hard to grasp. to not take injury/insult personally.
5. only you know in your heart of hearts. they certainly are off the beam, off the deep end, wildly deluded.
I asked that question when I
I asked that question when I signed that contract with my school.
Hang in there....
Only men (yes men up to the 20th C) have managed to make God so small as to have the human emotions of a jealous petty individual. A deity is above all such small minded emotions and does not require you to adhere to rules about how to love.
Read Conversations With God Book 1 by Neale Donald Walsch
http://www.cwg.org/main.php?p=Neale&sub=Story
God does not need a middle man (or woman)and LOVE is all there is.
Peace and Grace
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'Poetry is about the grief. Politics is about the grievance.'
I don't want to judge ...
but once your in college in America, aren't you old enough to make your own choices (including moving schools)? How old are you?
I would rather go out on my own (even if that means taking out student loans) rather than have my parents and school put me through that)
Don't you have a legal right to not participate in that?
It's your own life!
I was raised in the church.
I was raised in the church. It was a natural progression for me to want to go to a school where I would be able to openly love Jesus.
By the time I realized I was truly gay transferring would have put me behind. I made it this far without them knowing I just deal with it until I graduate in May.
Because then there is nothing they can say to me. I can actually said I survived.
Thank you so much for
Thank you so much for sharing this. I can't imagine how hard this has been for you, but I definitely admire your courage.
Have you ever heard of the Gay Christian Network? Here is their website: gaychristian.net I've found it to be really helpful in trying to find a sort of 'balance' between my sexuality and my faith. Contrary to what 'Exodus' and your school tell you, homosexuality is not 'incompatible' with Christianity.
Keep your chin up, and be blessed :-)
I have heard of that site.
I have heard of that site. A girl in the group sessions slipped it to me a couple of weeks ago. She also game me myoutspirit.com too.
Oh my god, this is such a GREAT opportunity for comedy
Please try to remember exactly what they say and post it here. I'm certain it will be hilarious. I mean, already you have "A one-on-one session with a trained Christian therapist." Can you IMAGINE such a person? Nothing funnier than someone trained to de-gay people. I don't advocate psychologists/therapists for almost anyone since I believe it's a bullshit scheme, but a trained de-gayer is a beast that is in serious need of counselling. A person who sits and bitches about other people's lives has got to be an absolute paragon of pathetic living. That has got to be funny as all hell.
The word Exodus literally
The word Exodus literally means "coming out". Did nobody in this organisation consider the irony of that?
I respect your honesty in coming out in such circumstances. Thanks for sharing.
I think that from their
I think that from their perspective, they see it as 'coming out' of the 'gay lifestyle'.
Coming out of coming out?
Coming out of coming out? Still seems like they have grammar problems! :)
When I started my session
When I started my session and they told me the name I laughed in the inside. But they have a whole chapter in this book they made on what it really mean.
I know
how you feel. and am so glad the religious crazies didn't break you. unfortunately they don't realize that religion is personal. luckily not everyone who is religious is like this. my church is very liberal and accepting. it is often easy to want to blame the faith. the faith is bigoted. and i came to realize that it wasn't the faith. it was the people. the words about discriminating against homosexuals were never spoken by the Christ but rather by another text author with other factual discrepancies and archaic beliefs such as slavery. the next time a religous person says that gays are wrong just ask them how their slaves are doing and how their last divorce is holding up. they should readily shut up. my Christ said love love love and the greatest Commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. you weren't shown this and i'm so sorry for your suffering but i do know how you feel and it gets easier with time. to be you. to realize where your anger should be directed. to make good out of that anger. to find peace. to show love.
ouch.
Woah your situation does not sound like fun. But just hang in there. I'm gonna tell you what I believe. Don't use this as ammunition against them, but just keep the thought in the back of your mind. You are not sinning.
Christ himself did not say anything, to my knowledge about the sin of being gay. Homosexuality as a 'sin' was a belief constructed by saint Paul. A human. A man (and chauvinist one at that). That concept is manmade
Now with that thought in mind, read romans 8, 38-39
Much love
>6<
Great verse (Romans 8)
This is truly one of my pet projects (trying to debunk the "religious" beliefs) and I love to expound on this subject every chance I get ;c). I had SUCH a hard time reconciling my life-long Christian faith with my (long overdue) realization of being a lesbian. I tried for years to pray it away. Then I started to really delve into the "proof" offered up routinely by the "religious". I very quickly started to realize that most of what they offer has been misconstrued and perverted to reflect their views. My favorite thing is when someone tells me that
G-d destroyed Sodom because of those dang homosexuals. I immediately point them toward Ezekiel 16:49. Ok, now I'm going to quit typing because otherwise I'll get completely off on a tangent...lol
Galatians 3:28 ~ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Thanks for posting, and I'm
Thanks for posting, and I'm really sorry about what you are going through. I went to a Christian college that was not nearly as conservative as yours, but they did consider practicing homosexuality a sin. Many of the students were also incredibly homophobic. Thankfully, the faculty and administration believed in keeping an open dialogue going on the subject instead of trying to get us to "pray out the gay". Soulforce actually visited and it was a really big deal amongst the student body, hehe. I wish I had come out to more people while I was still there, but I felt so ostracized as it was that I didn't want to add to it.
I guess I'm commenting to say that I can sort of relate to what you're going through, and that you will come through this a stronger and wiser person.
Furthermore, I'm sure you've heard that Christ said the greatest commandments are to love the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. If we try to follow those two simple commandments, I don't think it matters if we are gay, straight or anything in between. All we can do on this earth is live within God's grace.
my experience with exodus
they tried to change me, they won for the most, they showed me how "no" i didnt really like women... i LOVED them, not for their sexual nature, but for their nuturing nature... they helped me figure out what kind of women to like... like thier personal, twice a day, counselers, how most of them are ex or not so ex gays! in the end exodus became.... well you get it
Remember...
we are here for you. You are strong, you are a great person, you have a good heart, you have knowledge that will take to you to the finish line and you will be successful. Remember always you are not alone. We care about you and are here for you always.
Peace and love!
Be strong!
Don't let them break you.
I think the L-Word should cover this subject of the fake "therapies-exorcisms" of gays.
Hang in there!
The guilt and BS that Christians can put on you is almost unbearable at times. I grew up in a strict Christian family where everyone believed and everyone was "saved" but me. I spent every moment of my teenage years planning my escape.
You will make it through. Believe in you.
Hang in There
You obviously know that you arent wrong or immoral and you choose the path less traveled by staying at the university and retaining you self worth....good for you hang in there and good luck in spring :)
Wow
You're a really strong person! I would break down if people treated me like that all the time...
I thought your walk with
I thought your walk with Jesus was just that YOUR walk with Jesus emphasis on your. That is private/personal.
This is really really intense.
What Jessestone said. That
What Jessestone said.
That which does not kill you, makes you stronger. Keep your head up, and you will walk across with a diploma in hand - and all the more wiser.
I'm no longer a "Christian", but I went through my trials - and don't want to past judge those who are still walking it.
Never stop searching...
But for those that don't know, there are keep words to know if a church is accepting in homosexual lifestyles...
Like Reconciling in Christ.
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wow. I so hear you. Not only I spent 4 yrs at the Christian University, I also did a year of internship with Campus Crusade. Christians can be pretty f***ed up. All I can say.
OMG
They actually do this???? I am soooo sorry you are going through this hell, oddly the "christians" are putting you through.
N!k
Right now they are. I signed
Right now they are. I signed a contract as a freshman stating I would not break the rules and being gay is breaking the rules.
i'm so sorry for anyone that
i'm so sorry for anyone that has to endure this legalistic, judgemental bullshit. been there. this will make you run sreaming for the hills. my daughter went to a christain high school. im gay she is not. she was the target on so much stuff because of me. there are so many closeted people in these environment because of fear of having to go thru just this. the 2 guys that actually founded exodus are now married. dont fall for this subservient crap, it will make for a life of misery. i know, i was in your exact same spot, except i was 30 and in an assemblies of god church, not in college. i actually had a church member tell me i was gay because i had agender neutral name (kelly)can you imagine this?
i hope and pray that you persevere through this last semester. continue to press on toward the higher goal and reach to achieve that prize you have your eyes fixed on, your education and diploma. i dont mean to sound negative in the first part of post, this kind of stuff just angers me greatly. you will understand that in a year or so, trust me.
that's really messed up and
that's really messed up and heart-breaking to hear. can you transfer to another college?
right now transfering to
right now transfering to another college would be out of the question. Most of my education centered around the Bible and the majority of my credits will not transfer. I would be in college another two years.
I am almost done. I am just counting down the days until May.
hang in there girl.
hang in there girl.
Oh my God
I am so, heartbreakingly sorry that you are being forced to endure the treatment you describe. There is nothing Christ-like in it. How cruel to be forced to choose between this awful burden and the education that you have undoubtedly sacrificed for and devoted the last 3(?) years of your life to. I will pray for you, that you make it through to your goal - graduation - unbroken, whole, intact.
It sounds as though you are under too close surveillance for this now, but when you attain your freedom again at graduation, I urge you to seek out a church that is loving, accepting and fully inclusive of everyone, including our communities, and does not teach that God's love is exclusive of those of us who understand that we, too, are created in Her image and can live and love as fully as straight people do. If your faith was important enough to you that you sought out a Christian university, you should not be forced to give up that part of yourself, just as you should not be forced to repress your innate sexuality.
I'm Catholic, and an active member of Dignity, where I can attend Mass and worship weekly without fear of unholy prejudice. I believe that there are LGBT-friendly worship communities of every faith. Some of the more organized: Integrity (Episcopal), Kinship (Seventh Day Adventists), Soulforce (group whose mission is to fight religious bigotry across denominations; I believe its roots are in the Black community), Axios (Greek/Eastern orthodox), Affirmation (Mormons)....The list goes on and on, and extends to the other "faiths of the book," Judaism and Islam, which are generally thought of as perpetrators of religious bigotry. A repository of resources for LGBT Christians can be found via the link below:
http://www.jesusinlove.org/links.php
We cannot be a force for change if we turn away from the problem.
I hope you find your sanctuary.
God bless,
Lisa
~paz y amor siempre
Thanks Drunrchick
for the website. I went to it and found it very educational and helpful. Again, thanks for sharing.
I went through a pretty
I went through a pretty similar situation. I graduated from a Christian college 2 years ago. My last year there I told a good friend of mine that I was gay. She went behind my back and outed me which resulted in my last semester having to go to counseling once a week, have a spiritual mentor, and attend this meeting with a counselor and a woman who is an Ex-gay. Your experience right now seems more intense but I know you'll pull through it. Although I hated the experience I had to go through and my friend that outed me, I have to thank her because it forced me to come out to my friends, to see who they really were, and also come out to my sisters, one of whom is a Christian youth director. I have never felt more free. I believe in God and I believe that he'll use this experience not only to help you build into a stronger individual but to possibly help someone in the future who may have to face a similar situation.