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On Fisting and Being Afraid to Do Things

Haiku on Masturbating All Night

If I were braver
I'd call you/leave a message
to say I'm coming.

How do you feel about fisting?

Is this an appropriate question for a first date? Should I make a u-turn with my U-Haul and drive away? And is that shit even possible? What if a dyke has really big hands? Or a really small twat? And what about fingernails? Fisting is a term that people whip out at house parties when they want to seem daring or they want to shock straight women or freak out straight men. But what exactly is this phenomenon? My nerdy inclinations send me scurrying to the dictionary.

Fisting: Vulgar. To insert the fist into the rectum or vagina of (another) as a means of sexual stimulation.

This is the definition given by the American Heritage Dictionary. Note the opening label of vulgar and the parentheses around (another) i.e. one does not fist oneself. And I wasn’t even aware that the term included my asshole! A whole palm curled into a fist and shoved up my poopie-hole? Yikes! Now don’t get me wrong, I like pushing the boundaries. Tie me up, spank me, suspend me from a fully stacked bookshelf — I am no coward when it comes to attempting the ridiculous. But I worry about breaking things that won’t work the same ever again. Especially things that have multiple functions! Usually, when I hear the term uttered, I listen and nod supportively, but this comprehensive definition is forcing me to come out of the I-am-only-comfortable-with-slender-things-like-fingers-in-my-asshole-closet. Perhaps if I did not need that particular opening for getting rid of that icky stuff that would kill me if it remained inside of me, I would let you grease your elbows and work a bowling ball into my rectum. But as things stand, I am a little dubious.

But back to the vagina — which denotes the typical locale of the lesbian fisting that I have heard being discussed at most house parties. The details of vaginal fisting make me anxious and, pray tell, when exactly is it prudent to raise the subject? Should it wait until after we have had our sexual encounter? Or should we discuss it before to prevent any awkward moments during lesbo-coitus? I suppose we shouldn’t be discussing it for the first time with my dilated sphincter wrapped desperately around your wrist. The last woman who popped the fisting question to me did so over sushi. As I was stuffing my mouth with multiple pieces of dragon roll she asked me how I felt about double-fisting? Jesus fucking Christ! I wasn’t even sure what she was asking. Were we fisting each other at the same time? Are we both fisting a third person? Is one of us using two fists for one vagina? (I had already decided that she couldn’t possibly be talking about double-fisting with reference to my anus.) When I finally finished chewing and swallowing my mouthful, I mumbled that I was sorry, but I wasn’t yet up to that chapter in the Lesbian Sex Book.

Does this make me a prude?

Some may say so, but I feel that I do take randy risks in my everyday sex life. In my little black drawer, there are leather strappy things and handcuffs and satin ropes and ankle restraints and odd-shaped things that go buzz in the night. And I have (most recently) had sex on my kitchen floor, against the two different walls in my living room — years ago. I even bedded a Muslim woman, complete with a hijab and a devout husband, simply because my lover at the time called from work and instructed me to go downstairs and fuck the woman waiting there. But first dates and talk of breaking in cavities with mucous membranes knocks up against my grandmother’s voice warning me "not to touch myself down there." She always said it as if touching it could easily break it and damage it forever. And so, as an adult, I worry about doing things that will permanently break my poor, defenseless vagina. But then I remember that a baby’s head comes out of that canal! Have you seen the size of a baby’s head? So maybe the poor pussy is not as defenseless as I imagined…

So, now, the question is how much of how we have sex is informed by some whispered instruction infused with subliminal messages of fear and misinformation? I grew up thinking the genital area was awash with germs, only to discover in biology class that the mouth is far filthier than the average cunt or dick. If we greeted each other with blowjobs and coochie kisses, we would be less prone to getting sick than we are from shaking each other’s dirty hands. I wish I could drop these voices from my childhood. They make it impossible for me to just meet someone at a party and go fist them in the bathroom. This business of needing to first know what your cat’s name is, and how you take your tea, and what issues you have with your father before I can have a little orgasm gets in the way of the material I need to create the image of the wild, free poet girl, dipping into and drinking from the potent nectar of strangers on the A-train in New York City.

I want to be able to want someone to fist me. I want to want it so bad that I won’t stop to consider the impossible logistics of lube or location or how long this maybe-relationship might last. And is that something good to want? Should I be happy that I am a ‘stop to think if this is a good idea kind of girl?’ And here I go — stopping to think if it’s a good idea to want to NOT stop and think… If you are as wound up about the way you do or do not have sex as I am, I have one word for you.

Therapy.

I believe every woman, straight women included, needs to understand why she likes what she likes in the bedroom, or on the fire escape at night, or in your lover’s parents’ lilac-colored TV room. Therapy is a place to examine those contrary pleasures of “Yes, baby. Do me, do me hard. You in charge, baby. Spank me, hit me. Goddammit! Manhandle me, bruise me, but don’t you dare think those fucked-up heterosexual patriarchal dynamics are anything to be proud of.” I think it may be interesting to explore why you like playing little girl, or big daddy, angry mommy, or Hillary Clinton in the bedroom.

But if you are like most unemployed artists — meaning you don’t have health insurance — and you’ve used up all the free counseling available in your city, or if the free counselors are not open to discussing matters of this ilk, you need to write a confessional blog and/or start talking to other women. Like good lube, community confessionals make it easier to enter your tightest spaces. We all navigate the voices of mothers and fathers and grandmothers and pastors and teachers and old lovers in our bedrooms. Ask the bad-ass, sex-positive dykes and feminist women how they got mommy dearest out their own racy boudoirs. Ask your ex how she got to be so easy about sex. Have frank conversations with your friend who is able to allow her lover to beat her in the head with a bed slipper. And when you’ve heard enough stories to build your confidence, just make a list of freaky things you want to try. And just do it. Sometimes, if you just find the emotional muscle to attempt the things you were told you shouldn’t, those parental and pastoral personas get scared of being inside you and slip out unnoticed. After that, you can get on with the business of, um, fisting, and, ah, ferreting and scarf-choking and all the weird crazy things people tend to discuss at the Brooklyn house parties I attend.

60 Comments

fisting is common, and...

you make me laugh.

if you think you could enjoy something like that, why not? and hey, maybe it would rock your vaginal world... you never know until you try it. yes? i would suggest bringing something like that up lightly, at first. and then give them the "no, seriously" look shortly there after.

oh my...

helltothemuthafuckinno

Fisting or being fisted?

I had a girlfriend once who loved being fisted (is that a word?), but it all happened in the moment, no discussion, she just moved my arm in and her vagina swallowed my hand right up, and well the rest was sort of organic... pretty wild how much space she had in there....

Anal fisting, that I don't know anything about, most I've ever had or offered was a few fingers....

Fisting? HMMMMMM

Still scratching my head....why not. I will put that on my to do list. LOL

Fuck it..

Try it!! that's all i have 2 say lol

"..Like good lube, community confessionals make it easier to enter your tightest spaces." -- i love it staceyann

HalfcrazyHalfimperfect

oh hell no!

no shit - if a girl mentioned fisting and me and her together, I would run for the hills! No way, nuh uh, never ever ever, hellllllllllllll friggin' no!

I don't even like to watch fisting, it makes me girly bits wince all on their own!

Does that make me a prude? I don't give a shit if it does! lol

let me tell you what...

Gloria Bigelow

now i know that you know, that i am a prudish or maybe just prudent... no it probably is prudish so curry chicken, and home cooked meals and your gentle nudging will have to do. you are cheaper than a therapist and you make dark skinned plantains.

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I love u too Gloria Bigelow

And you can come by to eat my curry chicken and plantains any day of any week.

just bring the music and we'll make the magic of good friendship and honest talk, my friend.

If we do not speak, who will?

Reading this brought me back

The first time (of two) I passed out in medical school was immediately following my first vaginal delivery, at which point the OB handed me the sutures in an offer to let me sew her up.
~paz y amor siempre

do you want to be

seen as the wild girl without boundaries or do you seriously wanna get fisted?
I believe i dont have to try every thing to know, if i like or dislike it. and if u decide u might like it, get some lube and an experienced lover ;)

enjoyed ur post as always..

"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it." Oscar Wilde

On Fisting and Asking

Two things:

1) Fisting is great if you're with a lover who knows how to do it. Of course there's always the potential encounter with a dyke who doesn't know the mechanics of fisting and just starts ramming you .... it's like watching a child play one of those geometric games, ceaselessly trying to fit a square object into a circular hole, with the logic of 'If I just thrust hard enough, surely it'll go in?' A lover like this is a bad lover. Bad lover!

2) Does anyone feel that a series of questions takes away from the whole seduction thing? I understand that for some people it's a necessity -- clarity with communication; for personal safety reasons, etc. But I once had a lover with whom I had to outline the entire progression of sexy time events before anything was consummated. By the end of the 20 minute discussion I'd always be so turned off because my head would be running around the various issues we had discussed.

Two things:

ON the first, I have no experience with someone who isn't gentle/careful, in fact, cautious, but the bad lover, sounds, well, bad.

On the second, I agree. I posted that earlier in the thread. Communication during passion can be exciting and add to intimacy, but I've not enjoyed the discussions prior to, unless it's during the browsing around Good Vibrations to find some toys, the right harness, etc.

Lezbeth

1)here what you

1)here what you need

or

sincerely if your "bad" lover doen't really know how to practice, before to tell around how bad the experience was you can show her how to improve her skills, wouldn't it be more positive, isn't it ?

In france each year, there is in summer a kind of queer, lesbian, gay, bi, trans camp taking place in Marsillia, called the "Summer Universitys of homosexualitys" and two years ago a girl called Wendy Delorme make a fist fucking performence (i didn't assist to it...) : i ind it can be very usefull if you want to learn a little bit... Surely she makes some more...

2)

i guess it's like anything... it's how the discussion is handled. i think talking about next steps can be hot, if done right i.e whispering 'would you like it if i/we did [insert act here]' between kisses... and being ready to do something else if the reaction isn't totally positive.

issuing, by dictation or otherwise, a hand-book for 'perfect sex with your new partner' - total turn off - though probably informative for the next time you go at it, if you do.

:)

(following) haikus allo

(fe/ollowing )(vulvar) haikus

allo allo
leave come
now a message

coming leave
a message
something call you with the name of Come/somebody call You in the name of Come

please
leave
now the box is full of joy

she "always" give a call
before she's coming
the way the climax lays down in her voice

leave a
after the
something missing : it is her present

love with glove !

hmmm i must be doing

hmmm i must be doing something wrong? ive tried it with two different partners and neither could fit it in me!!
yes babies come out, but ive seen births and it aint pretty! im not putting my pussy through that!

I love OurChart!!!

So I haven't been on here for a couple weeks and I just read all the "sex up" blogs I missed. It saves me from watching porn because I get so many thoughts and images put into my head. I think from now on I won't read this section for a while so I have many things to think about. Thanks for this topic. Now I know I'm not the only one that is a little nervous about fisting.
love & peace

this article made my night

i appreciated all of your insightful and irreverent musings! my gchat friends have already been put on notice...

also, the haiku just about broke my heart... sign that my hitachi and i know each other too well?

birth is not equal to fisting

sure, a baby's head does come out of the vagina, however, that is only after hours/days/weeks/months of preparation not too mention the majority of those women that experience tearing as a result of this treat. This is why I am taking the responsibility to invent baby in a bag.

Women who actual birth in

Women who actual birth in front of a doctor should not tear. Doctors would know to use the episiotomy procedure, which is cutting the skin and muscle between the vagina and anus. I had that done. My son's head was stuck out for an hour. I was pushing for over 4 hours and those shoulders were just, wow, a bitch. But then again, he was face up. Back labor is not pretty.

I still remember being in and out of it. Passing out. I blacked out on the last push, and trying to come through after he came out, and as soon as my doctor held him up, I was like "fuck! he's HUGE and just passed out cold" I had my nana in there and my bff and another very close friend and they all joked with me that I never baby, I had a toddler. He was 9lbs. 11 oz. and could never fit in to the new born clothes or diapers.

My doctor had asked me if I wanted extra stitches, just in case. hmmmm, that would be a yeeesss. And surprisingly, I remember checking myself months later and realizing I might be too tight. Apparently, my body did pretty much go back

Fisting, I'll pass. You never know when you'll lose your elasticity.

And I'll still never know how women can give birth with a smile. And anal...I know I'd prolly like it, and it has a much more needed purpose that I'd like to be able to still use...the way it was has always work...

rovermom :)

Life is a 3D puzzle and everyone has a piece!

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I have heard of this and

I have heard of this and know other women that have been "cut" instead of tearing, but on my pracs and the hospital the midwife told me that they do not do this anymore.?? maybe its different in other states or countries or maybe its up to the doctor?

I had my son in 1993. And in

I had my son in 1993. And in Pennsylvania...USA. I'm not sure where you are from...

I am glad I did not tear, but had this procedure. Then again, cutting the floor muscles (keagle) does make it harder to bear down. I would think that not only is the skin cut, but so can the muscles be. And it does take a good amount of time to heal. I was given ice pads and hot pads to put in my underwear - and that was too painful. Sitting to nurse was painful.

There are controversies over this procedure. But my son was HUGE and it was my first time and he was face-up. My gyno, a woman, was trying different methods to coax him to turn face down - to no avail. And trying to get him out quicker. There for awhile he wasn't moving at all. And all the monitors were telling them he was in a huge amount stress.

Then ended up rushing him in the neo-natal care unit for a week. Due to him being so stressed, and also due to my head cold from 2-3 weeks prior. His blood count was astronomically so out of whack from my previous head cold and his breathing was was not good.

Between the two of us, we didn't have the strength for a normal natural birth - and something that I was seeking since I elected to not have the epidural.

rovermom :)

Life is a 3D puzzle and everyone has a piece!

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yay for the c-section

nay for the fisting.. i'm all for the former (had the former), not for the latter. again.. tmi. wow.

Clarification

Okay, so I am a pediatric oncologist, and it's been a while now since I've done any OB. However, last I knew of such things, to episiotomize or not to episiotomize was quite the controversy. Some say the healing is better with natural tears, but all agree that a complete tear (all the way to rectum) is a very bad thing (hard to heal with coloform bacteriae mucking things up).

paz y amor siempre

Oh Boy.................

I dunno' , maybe it's just me............... but, any love making that includes the words "tear", "rectum", "lube" or "fist" just kinda makes this girl ready to puke.

Peace and Keep That Fist to Yourself,Girl !!

editor

The Beatles said it best...

Avast, ye poxy land luber! All you need is lube. (Lube is all you need.)

Ummmmmm........

I don't speak any foreign languages. I hope that means , "Sweetheart, I will love you gently for hours".

Something tells me I'm way off.

*sigh*

"gently" .... "for hours"

spoken like a woman after my own heart!!!

sounds precious

I know there would be different sensation between tearing and ripping, but in the end you get the same result which is none too pleasant (I am speculating at this point as I have never gone through this)

My boss "coached" me for

My boss "coached" me for reading this at work today....but I couldnt keep it off my PC screen HA!....love what you write.*ENvIED*

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
([AnGiBabie])

editor

My favorite sex act. Ever.

My favorite sex act. Ever. There, I've said it.

editor

in which

orfice?

maybe in the nose ?

maybe in the nose ?

lesbian sex book

I will try anything once but I'm pretty sure I ripped out and burned the chapter on fisting 101 in my lesbian sex book!
one fist, two fist, red fist, blue fist...

yeah

i still haven't bought my own copy... but that is ALWAYS the chapter that my friends and i cringe at... here's to always borrowing the copy from the library at bryn mawr college!

or

the chicago public library

Talking about fisting beforehand is a GOOD thing!

(Pun intended!)

I have to respond to LizBeth's advice to only talk about it later, and also the thought that "talking about it in advance is a sure way to get everybody's twat tightened up."

Not necessarily... I know many people who get very hot and horny talking about sex, particular before or during, and about what activities they'd like to do. Knowing what your partner likes or what they've yet to try, is important. No one should be afraid of fisting. (It's a wonderful, beautiful thing.)

Want to learn more? Pick up Hand in the Bush: The Fine art of Vaginal Fisting from GV or Babeland. Watch authentic dyke sex like CrashPadSeries.com episodes (Donna, Lorelei, and Jake is a good one for fisting in a threesome) to see how it's done. And, talk to your partner -- before, during, AND after.

thanks for the link !

thanks for the link !

OOPs, My Age is Showing

You're probably right about current lezzie sex practices. My comment comes from my own attitudes, experiences, knowledge and exposure from 30+ years ago. I'm now at the age when (and younger women, you may not believe it will happen to you, but it does) the question of beforehand, afterhand, or duringhand is moot. Things change.

At that time (30+ years ago) if we had talked about it in advance, the whole idea would have been scary. There was no internet much less the concept of a link to a site. (There were red hankies, though, and the initiated knew which back pocket to wear hers in.) For me, then as now, communicating during love-making whether tender or naughty can fan those passion fires that take a woman (or two or three) to places of passion she may not have anticipated or imagined.
Lezbeth

Oooh - She mentioned flagging!

I learned about that from Diana's Girl Meets Girl book, and was quite fascinated...

paz y amor siempre

Babies come out, they don't crawl in.............

Staceyann,

You are such a naughty girl....... Hummmmm....... at a dinner party?? Maybe brunch would be more appropriate.

Peace and Enjoy The Buffet ;-))

Okay, Here Goes

I was in my 20s during the heyday of sexual freedom in San Francisco...bathhouses, sex clubs, Folsom street for the boys and backrooms in bars (for the boys, at least I never went into one).

My best buddy (man) and I would frequent those scenes, then come home (to his house in SF), take good long showers, crawl into bed and talk about ALL OF IT.

Women and fisting? It happens, naturally in the throes of passion when both lovers let go and read the moment. Talking about it in advance is a sure way to get everybody's twat tightened up. RELAX, enjoy your passion. See what happens.

Men and fisting? That would obviously be the alternate orifice. Initially, men who were on the receiving end of that practice were the ones who got diagnosed with AIDS at a higher rate than others. Early on in the AIDS crisis, that was one of the practices men were warned about. My best buddy, who frequented various venues and reported back gave me some pretty graphic details about the practice in a "specialty" club on Folsom Street. Needless to say, the boys REALLY pushed it (so to speak), and the damage led to some surgical consequences one might say approximated purse strings. Out of some modicum of restraint, I won't go into the rest.

My response to your blog? Don't talk about it unless you need to during the act or after it's over. Enjoy, relax, be passionate...go where that takes you. If you don't like it, say stop or I'm not comfortable with that or whatever you would say when she pulls out her ferret.
Lezbeth

my freaky things

list gets longer by the day! I seem to add them faster than I can cross them off.

lol

..wow

Oh my,

What a lovely addition to OC. I was tickled when I saw that you were writing here. I saw you with Doria Roberts a few years ago and it was a great night. I had a bit of a crush.
I must admit to being simultaneously intrigued and slightly frightened about the idea of fisting. The fact that I just watched my best friend give birth last week does lead me to believe that my vagina could take a lot more than it has so far. Now that I am thinking about it the intrigued is outweighing the frightened more and more.

p.s.
Grace Moon you are such a saucy wench. I dig it.

I consider myself fairly

I consider myself fairly well-educated on such matters, but what...dare I ask...is ferreting?

Not sure, but

I think that if you Google "Richard Gere" you may get a hint. Am I way off? What the heck do I really know, anyhow?...

paz y amor siempre

editor

Chaia, I'm awfully curious

Chaia, I'm awfully curious about this one myself. I can't help but wonder if it involves hiding shiny things in dark, tight places...

I answer in the form of a picture

ferrets
Ferrets.

GAAAAAH! I am never having

GAAAAAH! I am never having sex again!