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PA Voters Choose Clinton
April 23, 2008 - 11:22am — Diana Cage
Clinton's got her head up again. She took Pennsylvania last night. And in a totally unsurprising move, the New York Times added her win to its long list of Clinton criticisms. Should you believe the Times, Clinton's win in Pennsylvania has nearly secured McCain's win in the general election. The paper endorsed her in January, and now they are blaming Clinton, and not the MSM for all the negativity going down in the campaign. Sure, right, makes total sense. And Black Sabbath is responsible for teen suicide.
Every time Clinton wins a state, the news discredits it. For instance, from the Associated Press: "Hillary Rodham Clinton survived yet another day. There will be little time for celebration, though. Time and money are running out."
Clinton has won California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas and now Pennsylvania and, sort of Florida and Michigan. These are the big states that the Dems need to take in November to win a general election. So why is her last night's win being reported as if it were a loss? Why won't they just let her win a state without talking about how she's going to lose the next one? The party establishment would rather shut the whole thing down and just pick a winner. When did this race stop being a democratic one taking place in a democracy? Never mind, I know the answer to that; it's when Bush took office.
There has been major pressure on Clinton to pack up her campaign. Democratic Party leaders and the MSM have attacked her tenacity, claiming that she's merely hurting everyone by continuing to fight. If she were a dude, they'd be comparing her to Rocky. Instead, she's a nagging ex-wife; they all want her to go away and stop reminding them that they owe child support.
Pennsylvania is Clinton's third major state. Show me where it says that winning big states means you should quit your campaign? Clinton is connecting with voters that Obama is clearly not connecting with. I can't say who they are. Perhaps it's all the people on their way home from the gun sale at the church. But Obama just looked like a dick when he called her an Annie Oakley wannabe, and if he knew his Broadway a little better he'd have realized all he did was invoke Clinton's theme: "Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you."
Every time Clinton wins a state, the news discredits it. For instance, from the Associated Press: "Hillary Rodham Clinton survived yet another day. There will be little time for celebration, though. Time and money are running out."
Clinton has won California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas and now Pennsylvania and, sort of Florida and Michigan. These are the big states that the Dems need to take in November to win a general election. So why is her last night's win being reported as if it were a loss? Why won't they just let her win a state without talking about how she's going to lose the next one? The party establishment would rather shut the whole thing down and just pick a winner. When did this race stop being a democratic one taking place in a democracy? Never mind, I know the answer to that; it's when Bush took office.
There has been major pressure on Clinton to pack up her campaign. Democratic Party leaders and the MSM have attacked her tenacity, claiming that she's merely hurting everyone by continuing to fight. If she were a dude, they'd be comparing her to Rocky. Instead, she's a nagging ex-wife; they all want her to go away and stop reminding them that they owe child support.
Pennsylvania is Clinton's third major state. Show me where it says that winning big states means you should quit your campaign? Clinton is connecting with voters that Obama is clearly not connecting with. I can't say who they are. Perhaps it's all the people on their way home from the gun sale at the church. But Obama just looked like a dick when he called her an Annie Oakley wannabe, and if he knew his Broadway a little better he'd have realized all he did was invoke Clinton's theme: "Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you."
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There is a Tibet [sic] discussion taking place further down that is sooooo not what you would expect on OC.
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I think that out q and left radio talk shows are just as guilty as cnn for the gender bias towards Hillary clinton. Diana, I think you would be a great guest on Michaelangelo to discuss this very topic after tomorrow's primary in West Virginia. I am in Montana we have not even voted yet. I think your blog on PA. is right to the point. Hillary can carry the states needed to win this election. Obama cannot and she is getting so much media pressure even when she does win to get out of the race. Even Bill Maher who is an Obama supporter on his last show of the season a couple of weeks ago, thinks Hillary should stay in. It's so close and she has won all the states needed to pull it off and beat the republicans in the general election.
However the media including Michaelangelo seems convinced to tell us it's over.
Diana did they silence you on W. VA?
I am tired of the Obama supporters who are haters of Hillary. Hillary never said she was broke!. I think the Obama campaign will be in for a rude awakening when the Kennedy's, Kerry/Heinz, Edwards, Rockafeller's come to the office to cash in their favors. And they will come, don't get it twisted! How is it that a candidate not only gets "free" advertising during the Super Bowl, but also during the Academy Awards. Neither spot went for under 2 million. He had more than a few 30 second spots in both. I get it, he's from the southside of Chicago and came up on the rough back roads of Hawaii; raised by a single parent; then by his grandparents on the promise of the GI bill, etc. I've finally listened to his speeches and have been listening to Hillary throughout. His speeches are now Hillary lite, not so much pie in the sky and he seems a little rehearsed as a result.
I thought the whole Edwards endorsement was part 2 of the last debate they all participated in where Obama & Edwards tag teamed Hillary on issues she was leading in at the time. It was a very tacky exchange. It showed both of their egotism & unfortunately their sexism. Both have strong women at their sides assisting them in pursuing their polictical aspirations. As you may have guessed, I'm one that was polled who replied I won't support Obama when he receives the nomination. I will however, campaign for the other dems that are running for the House and Senate. He doesn't need my vote to win, if you listen to the pundits and all other media. Hillary doesn't have to campaign to help him anymore now that he has Edwards, right? There wasn't any truth to what she said, so why are all the pundits and other news media allowed to say those things now that Edwards has sealed the breach between hard-working white Americans and women. I know I sound bitter and I am. I am very disappointed with the outcome of these primaries. Not because she wasn't offered the nomination when it was clear she had won the states that matter. Not that the others' don't count, I'm certainly no elitist. Actually too broke for that title. Unlike Obama, I'm STILL paying my student loans, and will be for some time to come. I haven't seen a tax return since the 90's
I digress. Lastly, I think she should stay in until the end. Not to belabor the point but to allow for those people that have supported her time to exercise their right to vote.
I'm just sayin'.....
Sucky CNN
CNN headlines today:
"Obama sweeps N.C.; Clinton ekes out Indiana"
and then they close out the ability to comment!
feast for thought...
Text of Reverend Wright's Sunday night speech at NAACP:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/wright.transcript/index.html?eref...
Meffle, you know, I suspect
Meffle, you know, I suspect there are many white folk who consciously or not think of America as a white nation. Racism is so hard to talk about. One reason I became so interested in the Obama campaign was bc I could see that there was some subtext to it--ie, he was speaking in code to the black community, with the Jay-Z thing, the video which I believe is deliberately meant to evoke MLK, the referencing of Spike Lee's movie version of Malcolm X. I also was interested in how he references Abraham Lincoln, bc there is so much symbolism there--anyhow, I think he has this way of giving a wink to the African American community, as if to say, "I'm one of you." That wouldn't be such a big deal in and of itself, if our country didn't have the racial baggage that it does. I think there are many white people who simply don't understand that the "system" is viewed with such deep suspicion by the black community, and to have some figurehead in there would be such a huge deal. I think now the Wright thing, the Michele Obama Proud comment, the "bitter" comment, now you can start to put Obama into a context as a black man, and now he is just no longer a candidate who is completely sanitized of all racial issues (as if that was ever true.) I think he did a hell of an effort to run as if one could simply rise above race, but now he's got more of that cultural "baggage" with him. So we'll see. I think he still gets the nomination. For those who are going to vote for McCain over Obama, all you can say is, there are essays to be written about why that might be, but fear has got to be a prime motivating factor.
Sorry Toodlin
I wasn't issued a code book, so I can't really respond intelligently (or knowingly) to your post.
There's a thin line...
I'm not sure you made any
I'm not sure you made any effort to try to understand what I was saying. I think for Obama, who plainly states that there is only one America, now there is some "anti-establishment" feelings around him, especially with the views of Rev. Wright, which I suspect many would just find to be so anti-establishment as to not vote for Obama. I think there are many Americans who just don't want to hear that the sins of the past are coming home to roost. The Michelle Obama comment, I suspect many white people don't have as much context for that comment as you might, and to understand where that is coming from, would require a much more in-depth conversation about race than wishing for there to be one America. There is a lot unsaid behind that comment. Similarly, I think Obama himself came pretty close to saying something racially tinged with the bitter comment about the gun toting, Christian (we suppose) hillbillies who have "antipathy" against those who are not like themselves. I suspect here, the object of "antipathy" would be immigrants, and the bitterness coming from those Unionized jobs which are gone, and replaced by a service economy with $8 an hour McJobs. There was some inference there that may put Obama in less than a flattering light,even if it's true. I think Obama knows pretty well how hard racial issues are, and having someone like Wright close to him will be a real reflection on where the country is at, if he can sustain that political damage (and I think it truly is damage) and move into office.
Also, as far as speaking in
Also, as far as speaking in code, while Jay-Z, Malcolm X and MLK all belong to our common history/or pop culture, I think Obama has made a clear effort to sort of symbolically say to African Americans, "I understand your struggles." That is the gist of what I get from that. I'm not making a judgment. I've heard my neighbor call white men, "the enemy." How long would it take for him to explain to me where those feelings are coming from? Symbols are a short-hand. Surely the queer community understands reading between the lines. I think we have yet to see if this is one America, today, or not.
Something new occured to me.
Something occured to me earlier in the shower (guess I should shower more frequently).
The fact that people are labelling Rev. Wright racists based on the sermons that have been popularized lately is, in itself, racist.
Here's why. In those sermons, Wright hit on many topics: political, social, economic and racial. Yet the only thing people are pinging on is the race issue. Further, his alleged racism has often been linked to his "God damn America" comments. Could it be that if one speaks out against America it is automatically assumed that one is speaking out against white people? If that's the case, is America viewed as a "white" nation? If that is the prevalent view, isn't that racist? According to the 2000 U.S. Census, roughly 74% of Americans are white. Does that make this a white country? What does that mean for the rest of us.
Opinions please.
There's a thin line...
Europeans - Romans - Americans & more
This is racist AND sexist AND political (altho Wright claims to be a "pastor" not a "politician"):
Barack Obama's mentor re. Hillary.....
His "ridin' dirty" comment about Bill Clinton was offensive, and even more so because he yelled it in his "sermon" in a church!. He owes the Clintons and Lewinsky a public apology! And he owes Hillary another apology for the above "sermon".
Here's someone else's view on the subject who feels "misleading people is not right". I don't agree with everything he says, but it's interesting:
Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...
BTW, Wright would no doubt call this man a "garlic-nosed Italian", a racist insult he has used in the past.
MinnieZ
You are one angry dude.
Yet you continue to use sound bites, snippets to make your arguement. I submit that the argument does not stand when taken as a whole. Plus snippet or not, what did he say that is not true.
There's a thin line...
not that angry nor a dude
I could take any "sound byte" or snippet from the Dalai Lama and no one would ever be offended (with the exception of some Chinese officials). That's because the Dalai Lama is a man of peace.
How does "the whole" justify Wright's pumpin', "ridin' dirty" scenario?
How does "the whole" justify categorizing entire groups of people into "white", "black", "rich white Europeans" & "garlic nosed Italians"? How does "the whole" justify Wright throwing Hillary into the "privileged white (male)" category, without thinking through any of the hardships she has had to face being a woman?
The US congress composed of only 14% women. That's a shameful and pathetic statistic that's a part of "the whole" that Wright just doesn't choose to see.
I lived in Europe for years. Most Europeans are not "rich" by American standards and they certainly aren't all "white". They live much more modestly than Americans (i.e drive little cars, rent apartments rather than owning homes, live in smaller spaces, are less materialistic, waste less...).
I'm not that "angry". I just hate to see ignorance and bad behavior spewed to the masses, especially coming from people who should know better.
Objection Dalai is a man of
Objection
Dalai is a man of politics
if he is a man of peace he shouldn't involved in such political disputes
and not just chinese officials
the entire chinese race would think so
my advice: don't judge the situation if you are not involved in it, ok?
Ghandi was a man of peace
Ghandi was a man of peace who involved himself in politics.
My cousin travels with the Dalai, so can I now call the Dalai a man of peace? Being peaceful doesn't mean you can't be involved in politics, I am really unsure how you came to that conclusion.
Propaganda against peace
Popenada is from China. I have talked to a close chinese friend about the situation in Tibet and she defends China with all the arguments we hear coming from the Chinese government. She's a really open-minded, intelligent person but at times believes what she has been told without question.
Popenada, I don't know if that's how you feel but it's odd to see you speak for the entire "Chinese race" while telling me to mind my own business. Anyone who stands up for what they believe is "political". And I don't know anyone – outside of some people in China – who think the Dalai Lama is not a man of peace!
propaganda against propaganda
if you think im brainwashed by the propaganda,
just educate me from wat you know!
i'm open for that!
It's interesting
I realised Popenada must have been from China when I re-read what she wrote. Opps. It's a rhetoric I have seen coming out of the Chinese Government and Presses.
You are right too, not all Chinese believe that the Dalai Lama is not a man of peace. In Australian universities we get a lot of international students from China (and other Asian nations), and it's marvelous how many Chinese students opinions change when they are on the outside looking in. Looking at a world without the censorship, and at their country without it.
Yes, Popenada you are entitled to your opinion regarding the Dalai Lama, but I just can't see it the way you do.
i, me and mysof!
i was wrong about the whole chinese race thing you know?
i only represent me, myself!
so sorry for misleadin!
did you watch seven years in tibet?
To sum up, brainwashed by mean red communist country :>
didn't realize you two were talkin about me
so,you call a slave owner what?
man of peace?
do you know they use bowls that made from human skull
drums that made from children's skin?
funny talkin to ya
keep it up
Uh huh
Right...
If you are going to make such accusations, have some facts to back it up, current facts - as in the present happenings - 'cause otherwise you are pissing into the wind.
some where in between
so you can tell me
how come you think he is a god
worth you to worship?
and wat in the present happenings you think im blind about?
i donnot hate dalai lama,
and i dont hate my gov either,
i dont like dalai lama
and i dont like my gov either
i dont really care, i just wanna stir up an topic
So unless you only watch CNN BBC, duh , i got nothin to say.
im not pissing into the wind
im not peeing and im not angry
there is a point between western propaganda and eastern propaganda. and you got to digest it yourself.
comment taken back
And I don't know anyone – outside of some people in China – who think the Dalai Lama is not a man of peace!
I take back my previous comment comment (above, in italics). In the meantime I've seen some others speak out against the Dalai Lama.
But for the most of the world, he still represents peace and motivates people to more peaceful ways of thinking & acting.
Well
The Dalai Lama is NOT a god - he is a man, leader of a 'religon' quite possibly, but still a man. He doesn't even imply he is a God.
I respect the man, his message, and the Buddhist message.
What I think you are not understanding, which is evidenced by this post, and previous ones, is who the Dalai Lama is, and what he stands for. If you knew that, you wouldn't have asked the questions you did.
atheist cryout
How much do you know about the buddhist message?
after soaking the body of jesus christ in blood?
just tell me who he is
i desperately wanna know
What the
are you talking about?
You are making absolutely no sense. I am not sure if it's a language barrier or what - but I am not understanding you.
So just educate me if you
So just educate me if you think im wrong?
and who he is?
slave owner or man of peace?
you cannot have them both
Does the
Dalai Lama have slaves?
I mean seriously, does the man travel with a bunch of bonded slaves in chains and tortures them when they do wrong? Or are you speaking historically? Because historically we have all been a bunch of bloody minded people.
I am not going to pretend that Tibet didn't have slaves, but most countries comes from a very similar history - but to blame the current Dalai Lama - who was sworn in 1 month after military invasion by the Chinese - for someone elses atrocities would be like me blaming you personally for the fact Chinese Government is way to fond of censorship and misrepresentation of the facts in order to try and bring down the title of 'Dalai Lama'. To elevate and create a viable reason why they have taken the country, to pretend that the Tibetans are somehow better off under Chinese rule.
Here is my brainwashed theory- correct me!
I am not a scholar about Tibet
As far as I know
There is no racism in the east
Because there is no black and white and KKK
We are all yellow faced Asians.
And personally I have troubles to tell the difference of foreigner’s face.
Here is my brainwashed theory:
It’s not invasion it’s part of Chinese civil war! Before communist taken over in 1959, Tibet was under feudal peasant slavery system-----the system they used in QING DYNASTY! And sure this Dalai Lama is the biggest slave owner! Can’t imagine slavery system in 20th century?
On the top of society are the monks. At the bottom of the society are the peasants. They lived like hell, slave owner used their skulls as bowls, use their skin as the drum skin. (including the name ‘dalai lama’ and ‘penchen’ are granted by Chinese central government of QING DYNASTY, Qing has power to take away that name!!!)
Communists promised them tons of privileges such as they can have as many children as possible, give them religious privileges, they can do watever they want unless they threaten the downfall of communist party. They liberated those bottom peasant slaves and top monks aren't satisfied with that. They gave them chance to become representatives on national congress; they gave them chances of elite education in top universities with lower score restricts.
And esp. I wanna mention about the railway in Tibet. My friend’s father was a contractor to assist Tibet building railways.And workers there cannot get sick because if they get sick, they would soon develop brain swelling and soon die. It busted china’s ass to built rail way there!
And guess wat built on their tombs? You! Thousands of tourists!
At the beginning of the liberation there are rebels being executed, (especially the slave owners, and slaves who defends their owners) but very soon they ceased fire and reached agreement with dalai.
And dalai accused china of massacre millions of people, but during feudal times they have slim populations, they don’t have millions of peoples, but today, the population thrived. I heard a number; I will give you some youtubes to watch.
Dalai favorites other cult group such as Fa lun gong, do you know what falungong is ?
Falungong was ruled as cult after group of psychos threatened the gov and burnt themselves in Tian an men. And I ve seen tons of cases in the news such as psycho father castrate his son, etc.
Their doctrine is the downfall of communist party. They are like Satanism in your country.
Russia and Britain controlled India all has ambition over the highland.
And during decades of reclusion and dictation by Mao Tibet was not an exception
But everyone in china is not better than them either.
And dalai run away and he befriended with Sharon stone.
So can you blame me for a bad impression of him?
Lol
Historically, there has
been racism in Asian nations. Actually it still exists today, whether or not it is recognised in another thing all together - do some research into Japanese and Chinese histories - for a quick example. Racism exists...
That being said, once again, historically speaking you are KIND of correct. A really interesting interpretation of the history of Tibet, and it works if you are trying to imply that Tibet is better under China. I am not sure that there are many outside of China who will agree with that. Find out about how China is raping Tibet of it's natural resources & more importantly its history.
I have heard all this before, and it rings, to me, as Chinese Government rhetoric. A Chinese friend of mine who is currently studying here felt the same way you did - she did some research and had access to some sources not avaliable in China due to censorship - she doesn't quite feel the same way now.
As for the Falun gong, wasn't it's practiced banned by the Chinese government for its teaching of the 'supernatural' and its so called hoodwinking people? Essentially it was also accused of sedition because it is against Communist China? While I am not going to say all people who are members are good people, I think people have the right to oppose their government.
I can understand if you buy the rhetoric you told me why you might not like the Dalai Lama. I just don't buy what you have said - and speaking of which, there is no connection to the Falun Gong to the Dalai Lama then in the Chinese Press... but then again, they linked the Falun Gong to human rights groups too - any enemy is connected to them.
We wont agree here. There is no way that we can. You fully believe what you are saying. I see it more as an interesting manipulation of history and facts.
BTW: Not implying brainwashing - you can only know what you know and have access to. It kind of reminds me how is some parts of Japan they still don't know about the atrocities of the WWII. They don't know what the Japanese soldiers did as it isn't in text books. It's sad, but a student can't be responsible for deliberate omissions.
It's been interesting discussing this with you though. Thanks for taking to time out to do so, I appreciate it.
Attention!
Yes, thanks for point that out
I used harsh words just to attract attentions, meant you no harm!
I just want to know more about what I wasn’t told! It’s like a myth to me.
So can you elaborate those facts such as raping resources?
At least china doesn’t have racism right now. Just as the death toll of Tibetan Chinese people wasn’t single out in the quake, they are brothers and sisters to ordinary people in our country.
What Japanese people think I cannot help!
Just as I posted several links on Moon’s blog about Japan and what they did recent years..
About fa lungong, I didn’t get that from Chinese press
I got that from international herald tribune. They are like Charles Manson in our country. Are their members all bad? nuh
When I was in Germany, I’ve seen their brochures intertwined with political propagandas and I think they are just so wrong. My neighbor was one of them and she was taken away by police on Chinese traditional New Year, she just became different and it’s sad to see people suffering!
And I think most of people concerned about east don’t want to bring wars and disasters here.
Demonstration and fighting for the rights are very good things unless it became violent.
Okay Hon
I'll get my sources together and PM some of 'em to you in the next week. I am actually working on my masters proposal (can't you tell), so really don't have the time right now to find them. 'Cause I can tell you anything I like, but I figured you might appreciate knowing where the knowledge comes from :). Is that cool by you?
As for the raping of resources, there are some news articles you can google for... But I'll find some more when I get a chance is ya like. Just let me know...
Also, it's nice that it is not happening around you, but there is a racism issue in China - or with some Chinese. Sadly, no country or race is immune to the insanity. Be nice if there were one though.
very nice of you, Deean
I'll get my sources together and PM some of 'em to you in the next week.
Re: caution
k, sorry for takin you so long
im movin this week to a new place
so everthing around me all packed up except my bed and computer.
see ya
thx rstipati, keep it up
You'll have to watch the entire sermon,
if at all possible, with an open mind, in order to answer your own question. Once I saw the sermons in their entirety, it was clear the entire controversy was blown way out of proportion.
"I lived in Europe for years. Most Europeans are not "rich" by American standards and they certainly aren't all "white". They live much more modestly than Americans (i.e drive little cars, rent apartments rather than owning homes, live in smaller spaces, are less materialistic, waste less...)."
Then these are not the Europeans to whom he was referring, just as if he were discussion black women with relaxed hair he would not have been referring to me.
"I just hate to see ignorance and bad behavior spewed to the masses, especially coming from people who should know better."
You've done a great deal of judging throughout your debate. Why do you get to say how Rev Wright spreads his message? Why do you get to say what is or is not bad behavior? You were offended by the "ridin' dirty" commment and accompanying gyrations? I'm offended by 41 bullets, a plunger, an unreasonable jail term... or two, and 51 bullets.
I'm thinking of getting new tattoo. What do you think?
AD
AL
G6
GW
SB
Inside my left forearm, leaving room for addition.
You like?
There's a thin line...
And your thought brings up....
a thought that I had, as well. One of my white male co-workers and I were discussing the presidential race the other day. He's a young, hip, seemingly progressive guy so I have always taken him for a Democrat (yes, presumptuous of me, I know), but he actually said to me that McCain is destined to win the election. When asked why he thought that, he back-pedaled and said he guesses that either Obama or Clinton *could* pull it off....but if Obama won it would be because black people voted for him, and if Clinton won it would be because women voted for her. I couldn't believe those words actually came out of his mouth. My only response was to ask if that meant that he believes that our votes don't matter. He couldn't come up with a response because he knew he had put his foot in his mouth.
Really - no;
My comments on his hate mongering and racism don't come from his commentary of "God Damn America", although I do find it a little fucked up that any preacher would be saying such a thing, even though I understand his sentiment in the context it was spoken in. It's about his allusions that lead to something akin to demonisation of 'white people'. It's his fear mongering as well as hate mongering.
In the end, I don't care that he is a black man, I would say the same thing for anyone that was making similar commentary while being in the same position. It's the divisiveness that really sticks to me.
Equally though, while I don't personally like what he says, I will fight for his rights to say it. Freedom of Speech isn't something that is only for the politically correct; thank God for that.
The U.S. Census figures should be taken with a grain of salt...
I first started checking out the census data when I saw on my best friend's birth certificate that he was marked as white--when he's Mexican.
According to the 2000 US Census,
"White" refers to people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
Hispanics are also checking the white category, as well as the "Some Other Race" category - since there's no specific category for Hispanics, outside of the American Indian category--which many don't identify with.
Grouping these diverse groups of people into the category of white definitely affects the racial/social/institutional dynamics of the country. It upholds the illusion of the white majority, amid the melting pot.
Considering truths such as "there is power in numbers" and "majority rules," I definitely think that the whole labeling of "minorities" as such contributes to a sense of disempowerment felt, at the very least, by the labeled "minorities" themselves.
2000 census
The USA census has changed its questions for race over time.
For the 2000 census, the census asked if people were Spanish, Hispanic or Latino.
If yes, you could choose from:
Yes, Mexican, Mexican Am or Chicano
Yes, Puerto Rican
Yes, Cuban
Yes, Other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino
According to the 2000 Census, a person Hispanic or Latino can be of any race (true). So it is up to the person marking the census to choose which race(s) from among the racial categories. One could choose more than one race.
And Humblepie is right that one could choose "Some other race" if the person could not identify with the categories provided; she could print in the race.
Anyway, if you identify as Spanish/Hispanic/Latino, it can be confusing! Ask me. I filled out that part of the census.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf
The tricky thing is...
According to the Federal Government & as of the 2000 US Census, being of Hispanic origin is a separate concept than race.
So among those 7 racial categories that one could choose from on the 2000 US Census form:
White, Black / African American, American Indian / Alaska Native, Asian, Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islanders, Some Other Race, Two or More Races
There was no Hispanic Category. And the "Some Other Race" category numbers don't reflect the full presence of the nation's Hispanic population--so *assuming* that some Hispanics are checking the "White" category. And like I mentioned, my friend's birth certificate reads "White," as do the certificates of his parents, and they're Mexican-American--so this isn't an outlandish assumption.
And I'm sure, as people become more aware, the situation will continue to change and evolve for the better. That's my reason for posting, to help create awareness.
Wasn't really looking to get mired in a discussion of details. Not my thing. It just obscures the main point that I was making about the power dynamics involved when considering "the majority" vs. "a minority."
No matter the specifics of the Hispanic issue, there are other groups who have been lumped into the "White" category as well, including Africans.
Hispanic
Hispanic IS a made up category and is not meant to define race. In fact, some "Latinos" consider it to be offensive, despite the fact that it now so widely used in the United States. I mostly refrain from using it myself.
I wasn't disagreeing with your point. I was just trying to add more information your point so people understand the complexity of it of the US census questions and categories. Yes, the census is not perfect.
Finally, when one is reading the results of the US Census, one should attempt to read all of the fine print so you know how the federal government interprets the results.
ok
well there's no LATINO category to choose from in the Race Question. used the term that was on the Census form, no offense meant.
and for the record, wasn't saying you were disagreeing with the point i was making, and wouldn't care if you were.
just trying *not* to fall into the bottomless well of minutia, while missing the surface point, which was my sole reason for posting.
thanks for the added info.
Good surface point
HP, forgot to say, you did have a good surface point too about the majorities defining the categories for the minorities. :-)
Anyway, thanks for giving me a chance to re-look at those questions for the 2000 Census.
that's a good point, too
ms. lady...another way to think about it :).
I agree
I agree with you and MinnieS on the census info. I found it a little difficult to cull "hard" data from it, but I figured it was better than referencing Wikipaedia.
There's a thin line...
OMG I am so over
Obama "The Rock Star The 2nd Coming are what ever the heck he's suppose to be this week.I am so sick of hearing this man and has supporters and the news ppl cry because they say the last debate was unfair .The debate was not unfair Obama you just got beat 10 ways from Sunday.
Lenore & Jewel for Hillary
friends, 101 & 91 years old:
Hillary's Texas Town Hall
more sickening stuff:
CNN (owned by Time Warner who has donated hundreds of thousands to Obama's campaign) is pulling all the plugs to influence people toward Obama. Here are my observations re today's CNN coverage:
- Deval Patrick & Wolf Blitzer interview posted today (Deval & Obama share the same media manager, the same speeches, same campaign strategy based on "hope" & "change" and the same lack of experience while campaigning) Note: Deval Patrick has proven himself as corrupt and ineffective as governor. Since when has CNN ever been interested in his opinion as "expert" before?
- Completely jokable/slanted current Cafferty file: "Is Clinton Deluded?"
- constant CNN references to "polls" (I was never polled in my life! Who are the people that are polled?)
- CNN consistently coupling the words "wealthy and well educated" when referring to Obama's constituency: as if the two attributes automatically go hand-in-hand!
- CNN's "question" (also posed by the Washington Post) When is a win a loss? of course, applied only to Hillary when she wins.
As for those who harp on Hillary's misstatements re Bosnia: Please look at the bigger picture. How about this: Hillary Clinton in Beijing, China - September 5, 1995
Listen to Hillary explain her Iran comment in a little greater depth:
Hillary Interview
Choose: Clinton on the PA primary (9:15)
Finally, wait for the bizarre stream of ??? that will emerge after PBS airs Bill Moyer's interview of Rev. Wright, who – what a coincidence! – appears to have suddenly transformed into a soft spoken man...
freakin'...
Gloria Bigelow
freakin' dead on! I (in my conspiratorial voice) peeped this same shit! I feel like I'm loosing my mind. All of this coverage is a mess. "what does this win mean?"
it means she won motherfucker! that's what "win" means!
Question
Where did you get the information that Time Warner has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Obama campaign?