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Everything I Need From Life I Got Off the Internet

Part One: How I Met The Girl

i.

"We've gotta stop meeting like this," I say, all danger-stranger, adjusting my hoodie's hood (my disguise) and slipping into the warm interior of her Altima. She's parked by the fire hydrant on Manhattan and 106th, and my apartment (which she's never been to) is down the street. It's 3 A.M.

"I can't believe I'm here," she says. "You know, my resolution, or whatever—"

I remove my hood and touch this real-life version of a digital photograph, this real live person: "I can."

But I can't, too. Because, you know, I met her on the internet.

ii.

I think I made my first internet friend in 1994--he thought I was an 18-year old bikini model, I thought he was an 18-year old football player. We were probably both 13 (I certainly was), victims of un-model-worthy pre-pubescent terribleness, and outfitted with complex orthodontics. His name was DCope. Mine was, I admit, R Pop Tart. "R" was for Raspberry. It was my favorite flavor.

I never would have dreamed of meeting up in real life, but things were different, then. It was all horror stories of criminals in hotel rooms, disappointing meet-ups in airports, shorties who claimed to be tall, men who claimed to be women. Now, it works — now, it's valid — which is why we're all here, after all, because--

Now, 13 years later, it's become so remarkably valid that it's 3 A.M and I'm drunkity-drunk-drunk and I've lost control of my mind, my limbs and possibly my heart and I'm in a parked car in a no-parking zone with a girl I met on the internet who doesn't even have a photo on her MySpace profile. Or her blog. In fact, I once believed that there was not a single photograph of her anywhere on the entire internet, but silly rabbit, I just wasn't looking hard enough. There are always 50 ways to find your lover.

iii.

A national survey conducted in January by Harris Interactive revealed that "gays and lesbians are online much more than their heterosexual counterparts" and "more GLB individuals use social networks Friendster and Myspace per week compared to online heterosexuals." Thus, we have come to OurChart, looking for:

1. Lisabang.

2. Artsy photos of Kate Moening in her bra. To download. For one's desktop. Hypothetically.

3. Each other. Because it's not so easy, actually, out there in the "real world," which is why we are, increasingly, perceiving this virtual one to be quite real. On social networking sites: there you are. There are your friends with their inside jokes and assertions of your hotness, and your favorite books, and there you are in your bikini. There's your blog. There is YOU, INC., and so we've learned to close-read, like in middle school, except now we know how to mine profiles and blogs and comments for gold, i.e., the "real." The live performance of the internet script. Words and pictures swirling together like the transporter in Star Trek and what lands is similar but in 4-D, and sometimes also stunning. And beautiful.

As the internet gained in popularity, I still didn't think of it as a legitimate place to meet other people. Something about virtual networking always made me think of greasy tech geeks in basements popping each other's pimples or Trekkies with Dungeons and Dragons clubs. But then I remembered that I was totally a Dungeonmaster, and I fucking love Star Trek, and so, maybe there was something to this after all.

iv.

"I'm crazy about this girl!!!" I tell Jason, who we call "Dr. MySpace" for his keen ability to detect fakies — I often turn to him when I'm messaged by a girl who's profile is suspiciously heavy on up-the-skirt views of her apparently multifarious panty collection and suspiciously light on photos of her face. I use all those exclamation points, too, because that's how I feel. I feel like too much punctuation.

"Aw, look at you," he wrote back. "But since you live in the same city, not meeting is silly. And a little weird."

"No, it makes sense, in context."

"Probably not."

"Yes it does! She's doing this no-girls till her 30th birthday thing," I replied. "To like, get stuff done, clear her mind, etc. Even Haviland respects it!"

"You're mind-fucking yourself," he asserted. "I'm all for wooing with words, but in the same town, you must meet."

By the way, I met Jason on MySpace. He lives in L.A. We've co-authored a teleplay and shared the most intimate details of our sex and dating lives—he knows more about the girls I've dated than many of my real-life friends — but, in fact, we've never actually met.

v.

Her story, live and in person: "I told you, anti-promotion."

"You have no music on your MUSIC MySpace profile. You delete all your comments almost immediately, you have no photo of yourself but several of various artistic works and a screenshot of your sitemeter, you have no description---I had absolutely no reason to think you were anything but completely 100% sketchy!"

We're both cracking up. I like her more and more every time she laughs like that, which means I like her a lot. She grabs my neck and makes me look her in the eye: Oh! This is real. This began in cyberspace but this is real. Because, virtual is the new real.

vi.

Tara e-mailed to say she liked my blog. I've since traced our correspondence to uncover what made it different from the ones that never launched into the dangerous expanse of real life. After all, I get a lot of e-mails like this, which I totally heart, but I'm somehow not outside at 3 A.M. in an Altima with any of the others. Maybe it was a cyber-spark, which, like something corny, like the name of Paris Hilton's virtual dog or something ... I mean, maybe there's something to be said for just hitting it off in virtual space. That we've figured out enough about how people interact out here to be getting much better at picking the right ones.

vii.

Because she had no photo (which I generally find suspicious, though I've recently discovered that it's not, always, especially for homos).

Heather and I analyzed her blog entries for traces of physical appearance.

"Look!" I say, like I've discovered an oasis of facial features on a desert of invisible women, "See how she says everyone at the lesbian bar is attractive? But like — she talks about it in a way that's like—"

"Like, she's one of them."

"Exactly."

Later, I spot a winner: "She says all her psycho exes have been shorties cause they're under 5'7 and she's not dating anyone under 5'7 ever again, so she's definitely tall."

"Oh my god, and you're 5'10!" Heather exclaims.

"We're soulmates," I agree. "Def."

"Obvs."

I don't remember when I decided to harness the web's power and track down an image to put with the words. I knew it would matter. It matters so much, and everyone who says it doesn't is full of shit, which is why I needed it. And so I image-googled her, and it was much easier than I expected. I saw it and felt like the realest real you can get - I'm talking sci-fi real, Star Trek real, I'm talking teleporting real, cyber-spark real, that she was locking my face with her eyes: she didn't look at all like I'd expected, but she simultaneously looked perfect.

viii.

Who's to say how things line up out here: why we see our future wife at one party and then another when things could've turned out so differently, that we both ended up outside the same bar that night and chatted, that we had that mix-up with the stuff at the grocery store and started talking - then went home together, that she was there to see her friend like I was to see mine - so who's to say, really, how things happen in here, too? This virtual sphere? We make choices, we've got instincts.

And when it calls at 3 A.M., a time when you don't accept any guests not critically injured, you run out to meet it. You put your boots on, and your hoodie, and your stealth-black pants, and then tumble out into the night. You dance across the street, the car dances smoke in the air, you open the passenger door and slip inside. She tells you she can't believe she's there and you say,

I can.

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I'm Late...

Yes i'm late for this post, but i'm glad i read it. I've met a lot of people on the internet (psychos and non psychos), but only a few in real life and i have to say that they have all been wonderful.

Hey Ladies

Im sending a shout out to say Hi to everyone,really now whats been going on up in here...

This is your 70th comment, babe.

Just wanted to post one. It's 3:20 a.m. EST. Right--as in, NYC and NOT L.A. etc. Hi. Miss you, that's all. I wanted to be all like, "Oh totes 70th vs. 69 etc." Let's celebrate your 70th comment with a 69 something or other or what-have-you, sorry. Just ... aching here. Disregard all, like non-stet this guestbian's GF, yeah? Yeah. Waa.

Help! I'm trapped in a cyberspace vacuum!

It's so great to finally have a place to go and to share common interests (I mean, besides my[wasteof]space. I blog there, and on xanga, but because I don't have a picture up, everyone seems to pass up my profile/blogs). And I don't have pictures because I live in a conservative Midwestern city (no comparisons to Jenny, please, or I'll go drink boric acid right now) and would probably be thrown in the river if I were out. Just reading the comments here gives me hope that there are intelligent women out there with a mastery of grammar, quick wit, and personalities worth exploring---well, one personality each; after all, I'm not trying to meet Cybil. Uh, anyway, I'd love to make some aquaintances and feel a bit more connected. So anyone who wants, visit my page. Oh: and is there a place to blog, or is it kind of just public commentary? If so, that's cool, too. Just asking.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN! (convo btwn Lace and La_Tane)

WOW!! This convo was certainly DEEP!!!! Very interesting and perplexing at the same time. All I know, (just my 2cents) is that when you find love, real, right, true everlasting love, it doesn't matter the size, the sex,religion, or the color, all that matters is what's in the heart! (Coming from being a closet lesbian to kicking out x-husband for g/f)

LIVE, LOVE, LAUGH

ah look at you

I have been with my girlfriend for over two years and we are currently living together. Having met online, I never expected anything to come of it, especially since we lived states apart from one another. But when things click, they just click, and am I ever glad that they did.

Well,

i know a few people who met on the net or through some service and not only did sparks fly, they lit up the sky like a damn supernova!
it's much easier to communicate with someone when u don't have to worry about them liking whatever physical insecurity u may have. and a helluva lot easier parading all the skeletons in ur closet to a complete stranger.
in this crazy mixed up world, the most important thing(to a lot of people whether they admit it or not)is a persons physical appearance. why do u think everybody goes to the gym more now then ever in exixtance. why we try even the most ridiculous diets. skip a few utility bills (or rent, or car note payments) to buy that outfit or those shoes. just to make ourselves look good to other people.
when ur on the net (unless u do have some pics up) all u have are words. u respond to an e-mail and hope there was something funny or meaningful enough for that person to respond or connect with.
i might be a weirdo for saying this but i think it's possible for u to meet ur soulmate or 'foraslongasurhere'mate anytime and anywhere. without knowing their real name or what they look like

me too Krispy...supernova indeed

there's good, bad and indifferent in any scenario. This supernova that I know of personally is such an incredible story. For starters, the L Word is what made this woman I befriended (because I was introduced to her through someone else on messenger from an L Word site)... realized that she was trapped in a 20 + marriage with kids and miserable as can be...she finally admitted to herself, through years of supressing it that she was indeed gay. When I first started talking to her, she would cringe when I would use the word "lesbian" and tried to tell me and others she was "bi." She would come to me for support, solice and advice. I honestly felt for her plight and couldn't imagine myself in her shoes. I have watched her proactively do everything she said she would...she came to grips with who she really was...filed for divorce, told her kids, left her husband AND has had her "first" experience with a woman she met online! She is a totally different woman then when I first started talking with her...she's so happy, so confident now and so free. I so love to see others happy and smiling and this woman is all smiles! It happens! Also, that is why I have such adoration for this show and it's cast. It's not just an entertaining drama series, it's touched countless lives accross the world and has impacted so many people to change...you cannot put a price tag on that for sure!

Luv it!

Awwww, I love it Riese. Nearly brought tears to my eyes.

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Katie

Hi.

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My blog: Tina-cious.com
My myspace: Angel Incognito

Hi Back

Thank you for being my guide here. This site is soo confusing. No wonder...it is all about women..lol

omg

hey so im new at this site, just looking to meet friends:)
how are ya all doin? i luv the L word, my brother got me hooked on it, and the episodes r gettin good :O. wut sucks is that i think im gnna have to miss tonight's episode cuz of church, omg yes i kno, it sucks lol. so can someone keep me updated please? thanx alot bbzz xox

Awesome

It's really interesting how people can make a really strong emotional bond on the net than with a person face to face.
This was a great article, can't wait to see more of you ^___^.

what do you do if you find myspace boring

GREAT article! I used to have quite a few "online friends", and I was always meeting new people on forums and blogs. Myspace wasn't a big thing back then, but now that it is it's such a great opportunity for people to meet even MORE people! My problem is, I find myspace incredibly boring and I really don't know what to do on it.

How am I supposed to meet people there? Comment on their ridiculously annoying profile? Friend them so I can look at their gallery? I just don't get it.

Possible suggestions? (weak suggestions lol)

lol there isn't much to do with myspace after you've added the people you know. I know a lot of people have told me they go on their friend's page and browse through their friend's friends to see if anyone is interesting (which would require you to look at their annoying profiles) or they simply search for people (which would again require you to look at their annoying profiles). I do something similar when I feel up to it. I'll search for people with a close proximity to me. I'll look over their page and decide if they're worth knowing (it's not too annoying) and then I have a lil generic msg I send once they're added and it kind of sparks a convo or it doesn't. I've met a few decent people. I'll say 4 out of 10 adds were worth getting to know. It's real hit and miss on there but it's just as hit and miss on here! I mean I'm stuck browsing profiles off blog comments or friends' friends.
Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent plus I'm a flirt. ~*

Well

You could always try venturing out offline and meeting people in a real setting.....I ONLY myspace for the sake of keeping up with the celebs I admire, other than that Im not there (nor here for that fact) to meet people or any of that. If people add me, good luck to them, but Im not really that desperate to meet them to be honest, I prefer the real face to face thing but yeah, each to their own. If its getting boring for you just get off it for a while and go out instead :).

me

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

OK well throw out

OK well throw out suggestions here. Cause I could use some advice. I work with a crowd of 30+ since I moved here which has made my friend pool incredibly shallow. As in all my friends live out of state. I've lived here over a year and I just don't see a club/bar scene as a feasible place to make friends because the ones I've been to, everyone proves to be showing something they're not. As in they put on their bar face which is not their real face and once you get them in daylight you'll be sorely disappointed. Suggestions?

Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent plus I'm a flirt. ~*
http://www.myspace.com/nymphomania84

Yeah

I know what you mean about that crowd lol. Interests though Id say usually leads people together, or at least it does for me. I dont really focus on I-must-meet-people, I think about what I want to do with myself, my life, what interests I want to expand on etc and Ive found that when I go out searching for those things, I usually meet people along the way who I end up friends with anyway. Like a little while back when I decided that I finally want to master guitar and so I took guitar lessons at a local music school and Ive met so many people there since then and quite a few are now friends, so yeah that seems to work for me but dunno if it'll work for you :).

me

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

I will try that...

Ok well my time is limited so you're right I'm going to try more of that but I swear since I've moved here (about a yr ago) I've only made straight friends and lesbians friends 30+. I would like to make more lesbian friends closer to my age.

Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent plus I'm a flirt. ~*
http://www.myspace.com/nymphomania84

Give the geriatric 30+ers a chance

As a 30+er myself, we are pretty cool people especially us 30+ lesbians. Many of us have our s#!+ together and know who we are. Some of us older chicks are even fun to hang out with. Give us older women a chance; we even make fantastic luvahhs ;)--you know, we have the sexual prime thing going for us!!

Nothing but kindness, love and a little levity intended by this post.

Schuy

Geriatric? I think not lol

LMAO! I am hardly considering 30+ geriatric! I mean damn I'm 22. 30 isn't that far for me but it is far enough for me to get tired of the kid jokes. The annoying part is older women turn me on and I feel like they are (or should be) more on my maturity level and intellectual level but as of right now they're just as bad as the people my age. That's the part that's annoying me. That I'm bumping into older women who are great lovers but are still immature annoying people. They are still doing the same stupid phone tricks and attempting to play mental games as if I haven't been there before. So maybe it's not the age it's just the quality of people I'm running into. Guess I should be a little more introspective. UGH@immature women!

Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent plus I'm a flirt. ~*
http://www.myspace.com/nymphomania84

Couldn't agree more!!

I go with the flow with you on that! I am 50+, but not much more of the +!!!!lol. I am in my 30's in my head tho', don't give a damn about my age! I love Kate to pieces & proud of it. WELL up there!!!!!! Ha, ha.
On a serious note,yeah, because you get older, as everyone has got to do, you are `sometimes' wiser, have certainly a little bit from your mistakes, you just get on with it, I am a so-up-for-it Chick!!, you are so right,SCHUYLER!

I <3 R Pop Tarts too!!!

Ok so your recaps are a 1 funky boss and as a guestbian you take the cake (or in this case breakfast pastry).

can't wait for more!

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I need

I need to meet someone...Anyone out there??

Hey Ladies

com'on now I know your out there,doesn't anyone wanna chat.Im sending a shout out so someone reply....

virtual v. reality

Funny thing is, having a virtual relation ship that works is almost a prerequisite anymore...I find that if I click on here with someone- then there's a pretty good chance they wont bore me to death face-to-face.

I'm glad I'm not the only

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way!
Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent
plus I'm a flirt. ~*

Great ...

Loved your blog

I met my other half through personals before the internet kicked off and we did it all through telephone calls - folks are sooo lucky these days with sites like this and msn and skype .... dang wish I could be younger and know what I know now lol

Looking forward to your next blogs :)

Life is not about how fast you run,
Or how high you climb,
but how well you bounce!

I want it all and I want it delivered by cute, naked women!

Damn right I'm good in bed - I can SLEEP for DAYS!

thanks for putting it out there

Ok I'll keep it short. I loved the blog been there done that. But my question is: As much as technology has made it easier to find and be accessible to more people, am I the only person who still finds it hard to admit I've dated someone after meeting them online? I mean it's easier cause you have the ability to meet people you wouldn't otherwise but I still feel embarrassed almost guilty thinking about it.
Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent
plus I'm a flirt. ~*

Hmm....

I've never met anyone from online cuz 90% of the time the people Ive chatted too or whatever have ended up being retarded on some level after a few months of chatting to them and to me simple sanity is the first and foremost important thing before anything else, so yeah, good on the people who can do it because I cant lol.

me

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

http://www.myspace.com/bittersweetbrunette

Distracted...

I'm sorry to hear... OK well I'm not really sure what you said because I can't stop staring at the picture of Kate winking at me.
Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent
plus I'm a flirt. ~*

lol

Oh dont be sorry, be glad for me that Im sane enough to not fall victim to current day pop culture trends and actually think for myself by myself lol. Shes way hot in that pic isnt she? :D

me

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

Wait hold up I've missed a

Wait hold up I've missed a bit of convo I think. First where is that picture of Kate from cause I definitely do not remember that in an L word episode. Then again her winking could've hypnotized me and made me forget everything. Including my name.
Second what does popular culture trends have to do with meeting people online? Wouldn't it simply be a matter of accessibility? I mean I don't know how things work in Australia but I know here looking the way I do (been told I look "too straight" whatever in the hell that means!) Most times (unless she's brave and OK with the possibility of getting turned down) you don't just get hit on without approaching first. Well I could walk around with a big homo sign on my back but I really would like to pick up on a girl in a bookstore without feeling like I might be charged with sexual harassment.

Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent plus I'm a flirt. ~*
http://www.myspace.com/nymphomania84

Um not sure but I think its

Um not sure but I think its from 'Slo-Mo', a flick of some sort that Kate did, but I could be wrong. I found it on some site somewhere and it looked enticing, so I took it lol. Its definately not from an L Word episode because Kate has never had long hair in TLW as far as I remember and she seems to have long hair in that pic so yeah. Well I dunno about the US, but here in Aus if you meet from online then your considered 'desperate' and you dont have a life lol. Its just an Aus thing but away from that cliched-ness, fact is I personally see it as a popular culture trend as it is everywhere, it is deliberately publicised and yet out of the 234724232 meets people have been through, only a handful have worked out for them and alot I know have been through such horrible experiences of stalkers, having money stolen from them, rape and what not so it makes you wonder is it worth it to put yourself on the line like that and so forth. Once again, it could be completely different in other places of the world but in Aus and the people that I do know who have met from online, most complain about it and claim they would never do it again due to the bad experiences they went through because of it, so yeah, I personally have not ventured down that avenue and would not because its not my thing, but if its your thing go for it, just be careful :). As for the whole flirting thing, just give out little signs and watch for reactions of comfortable or not comfortable and then take it from there. I suppose it helps if you tend to mingle with the community as I do, but yeah I dont really get why you need to be coupled off so much and take it on like a mission as I rarely do that. I just wait and if I connect, cool if not, too bad no loss, so everyones diff. Either way best of luck, just be careful and remember to put yourself first :).

me

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

I think you're right. As I

I think you're right.
As I am currently staring at the pic of Kate in her underoos on my desktop, I'd say the longest her hair has ever been was in the first season. Esp in the first episode. I felt like they didn't really know what to do with her. Yes anyway.
I don't think it's about being "coupled" off. I think I would like to have FRIENDS, and I do mean friends, just to discuss things that I've found non-homos don't always understand. Majority of my friends are heterosexual and it doesn't bother me except when I talk about something that seems to be almost an "inside homosexual" thing they don't understand. Or when they first find out I'm gay and they of course ask ignorant questions. But for me it's like having friends of a different race. It doesn't bother me until I feel like I need someone to relate to something I want to say that you can't know about unless you've experienced it from my perspective.
About the whole online thing, I've heard some pretty laughable horror stories but no one I know personally has ever been hurt by it. Obviously I know it happens here all the time. I can say from the first time to the last time I've done it I've had worst experiences on blind dates!
I think you could possibly consider 'net dating a pop culture thing because here it is seen almost as a way for busy adults to connect to other busy adults. Obviously the weirdos will lurk. I do agree with you though that people do view it as an act of desperation but I've also found that people my age and younger just see it as another way to meet people. I mean they have like myspace parties and downelink parties(another all gay networking site I belong to http://www.downelink.com) all the time. I've never attended any but I know people who have and who've said they aren't all bad.
I see it kind of as something you do like biting your nails that people make you feel bad for when in actuality more people bite their nails than people would imagine. (kind of a bad example since I don't bit my nails but you get my point lol)

Ms. Quel
*~ Cuff your chick cause I'm young, black, beautiful and intelligent plus I'm a flirt. ~*
http://www.myspace.com/nymphomania84

Well

Best of luck hey and each to their own :D.

me

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

Definitely Worth Reading

Nice! And sweet. Meeting people online isn't as scary--especially if you're GLB.

Though there are probably some creeps out there still, I guess I can say that we all trust each other.

Everyone's looking for the same things. Ahah! Get it? >> Nevermind.

Great blog though!

-Christine

Definately creeps

I just got propositioned by some dude from China in PM *stares baffled at the screen*. WTF a dude was doing on here propositioning lesbians is beyond me but there you go. Lordy no matter where I go some retarded perverted creep will find a way to proposition me RRRRRRRRRRR *rolls eyes*.

"I firmly believe that the only opinions that matter are those of people that we know, love and respect. The rest is just noise."

http://www.myspace.com/bittersweetbrunette

because they think with

the head inbetween their legs, not the one on top of their shoulders. I have had my share of that perverted crap myself. I am suprised I haven't read it sooner on here happening to someone. Sorry you had to be bothered with that perv BITTERSWEET...it cracks me up that they think they can "convert" and even worse, how much they get off. This reminds me of when I was in Dublin and had to get to an internet cafe and when I did...there was an Asian dude sitting next to me, touching himself to the screen of lesbian porn in the open, in daylight, like it was nothing. I wanted to either yak or punch him out because there were kids around. It's scarey, these guys remind me of a dog in heat that would hump a firehydrant.

Re: Definately creeps

You're not the only one...I get weird guys bug me too. Not on here (yet) but when I had a personal add last year on match.com, guys left me messages. Hello, what part of "Woman Seeking WOMAN" don't they get?! I wonder if the ultimate ego boost for a guy sexually would be to "change" a lesbian to at least being bi? Or they just want to meet bi chicks who'll do a threesome (I never met a Bi gal who did threesomes actually)? I just don't understand men and why they bug us on lesbian websites! Guys don't get it ...sorry boys, we aren't gonna change for you and you sure as hell can't change us! So, yes, I feel your pain and am just as perplexed. :-)

* ~ Princess of Chaos ~ *

Princess of Chaos

plain and simple, they are dumbasses. I told a guy at a bar once that I was flat out not interested in his drinks and had a gf etc...and that actually crazed him even further, he was relentless, in your face, wouldn't go away and even had the balls to offer us MONEY to come back with him so he could watch! Not too long ago, one of my pals was out with her straight friend and her fiance' and the fiance' said to her "you're too hot to be a lesbian..." on and on hitting on her right in front of her friend/who he is to marry. She finally clocked him square in his you know what LOL he hasn't hounded her since.

Its the porn

Its the sad porn thats out there that gives this deluded impression to heterosexual males that when 2 women are together theyre actually secretly wishing that a male would join them which is SO NOT the case. Im bi myself and I always get the threesome proposals and fact is just because Im bi doesnt mean Im some slag who will hook up with just anyone for the sake of a cheap fuck, yet 'bi' to alot rings a strange sex-craved-nympho bell for them and that is SO WRONG a stereotype. I know the majority of bi people who are TRULY bi, not just pretending to be in order to get attention at some lame party by kissing another girl/boy so that a room of drunken fools can cheer them on like its a circus show or something as this IS NOT truly bi, this is just some lame attention starved insecure heterosexual playing a superficial role, but most TRUE bi people know where there head is at and who they wanna be with at what point in time and if Im with a woman, then I want to be with the woman not the man, but yeah try telling that to brainwashed-by-sad-porn heterosexual males *roles eyes*. Its SO ANNOYING! As for the dude who propositioned me, damn weirdo I tell you lol. His ID is Yu Liu so watch out for it ladies and dont bother with it if it messages/adds you unless your looking for a cheap trip to Beijing with a male lol.

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now this is different

Riese;

After laughing so hard at your recaps, I was looking forward to this... I totally agree on even at the cyberspace you find the spark in people, and the funniest thing is it doesn't depend on anything; age, race, nationality, physical appearance... Nice touch on the love perspective... Hope everything works out best for you.

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Guls

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Riese, you are legendary.

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Excellent Blog Post, Riese

Excellent blog post. Great read.

I met my best friend on the internet in 2005, on a music & video messageboard. Actually, we met online in 2004, but I didn't chat with her any more than I chatted with anyone else at the time. She lives in Miami and I live in New York. I happened to visit Miami that summer, and we met in person. She visited New York at the beginning of 2005 and we hung out again. After that, we became close.

I've had several other close friends that I met on message boards as well, but I've never been able to establish a relationship via internet meetings. Has anyone had any luck with online dating sites? Not just social networking, but actual online dating sites like match.com or yahoo personals? I haven't. I go through phases where I visit dating sites quite obsessively, but it's rare that someone sparks my interest enough for me to want to meet them, and if they do, I don't spark theirs. I realize that's part of the problem. Sometiems just a photo (if there is one) and a basic profile is not an accurate depiction of the person. You need a living, breathing human being in front of you, and preferrably, one that you have time to get to know as a person without initially thinking "could she be the one?" What may not seem attractive to you online may grow on you in "real life" if given the time and place for that. Even though I know this though, I tend to be disinterested if I don't feel instant sparks, and I won't pursue anything. In my head, I'd still be "testing the waters" if I did pursue something, and that mentality somehow ruins me.

The thing about online dating sites is that OBVIOUSLY you're looking for love. And when you're looking for love, you're most likely not going to find it. (At least that's what my experience has shown me.) With everyone I got close to online, I did so without looking for anything. (And they were all straight girls--or at least they lean towards the straight side--so that's why nothing ever went beyond friendship.) But anyway, I can't really browse the personals without it being "looking for something," can I? And unfortunately, when I look, I don't find. Unfortunately, my "requirements" are so much harder to loosen up on when I'm specifically looking. When the situation is contrived like that, it has to be so much more "ideal" than it would have to be if you met someone at work, at a group activity, at the neighborhood bar you always go to, or even on internet message boards where your entire reason for being there is discussing your common interests.

That being said, I can convince myself that OurChart is really just one big message board for L Word fans, right? ;)

Hmmmmmmm.....

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Quote; March 13, 2007 - 8:28pm — lace
Sexual orientation is neither a pathology nor a sin...
So true, "Sexual orientation is neither a pathology nor a sin." I am, however, a devout Christian, and I embrace that and define myself by it much more than I define myself as a lesbian. What I tell those who don't understand how I can be both gay and Christian, is that sexual orientation is NOT a sin. Engaging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex is the sin, not simply being attracted to them. To abide by my Christian faith, I am called to a life of chastity and that's exactly how I'm living. Unmarried heterosexuals are called to be chaste as well. Most people don't abide by it, but the point is, the Christian law is the same for all unmarried Christians.
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I'm perplexed about something.In your comments on a previous blog you said SAME SEX SEX IS A SIN,so what are you in the online personals looking for love for?Will this LOVE not include sex?if so I sure hope your forth coming with your true intentions to all the women you contact through the personals and else where looking for this unconsamatable(sp) romantic relationship.Still isn't the fact that your online LOOKING....giving in to this same sex attraction as much of a sin or maybe only a C- on the sin scale of sins.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter'.~Martin Luther King jr.

Latane If someone chooses to

Latane

If someone chooses to have a non-sexual partnership, that is their choice. I am sure this woman, who has made the choice on her own to be a non-sexual being, will tell or engage in a conversation at some point of her non-sexual attemp in life. How can she be offending you or anyone else on this website? She has stated she identifies as being lesbian, more so a christian, so this is her walk in life. Pat her on the back, man, and say I wish you the best. Not many people can make that type of descision and restrain their sexual urges.

rovermom :)

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Birds Do It, Bees Do it...

Hiya, Rovermom (...and Lace, and Latane)!

I do agree with you that to wish someone well is harmless and supportive. I think it s especially necessary to be compassionate towards all people in an effort to gain understanding of each other.

I also feel compelled to respond to Latane's POV, and the subject of religious dogma versus human biology. Lace has said that she believes homosexual sex is sinful because of her Christian values. I would not argue with Lace's belief system. Factually, her lifestyle choice would prevent her from having sex outside of marriage, as it applies to heterosexuals. However, as a Christian myself, I am completely unable to find any condemnation of homosexuality by Jesus Christ in the New Testament. And, as a biological creature, it would be unnatural for me personally to consider a chaste lifestyle.

Latane believes that sex is a part of relationships, and the incongruous statements made by Lace confuse her. On one hand, Lace has indicated she is chaste, but she is also looking for a relationship. The terms of her definition of a relationship is not exactly mainstream, because she is believes that a sexless relationship is the only permissible type of lesbian relationship to have as a Christian. I also see that Latane is concerned about the belief system imposed on gay Christians, which is a valid POV, too. Normally, I would say, "None of my business!", but since this is a public forum, I figured that a discussion that might end any confusion would be helpful.

It is hard to understand a relationship without sex, but not unheard of. To each their own. Sex isn't the most important thing in a relationship, but it is an important component for most people. Honestly, it saddens me to know that some people would voluntarily choose to deny their God-given sexuality, to then enter a relationship and no matter what, sex would not be permitted because of religion. I feel a great deal of empathy for people who choose this path. It seems like it would be emotionally exhausting, and/or unnecessary. The only chaste people I know are not permitted to be in a relationship because of their position in a church. Chastity, without limit, isn't a form of a relationship I am familiar with.

If sex is defined in conventional, conservative terms as a penis penetrating a vagina, every lesbian who has never been with a man would technically be a virgin. How then, under those conditions, could lesbian sex be sinful by someone who has a conventional, conservative belief system?

If you’re thoughtful, that’s a hard question to answer, and not one I suppose will be absolutely demystified in my lifetime. An answer might promote empathy for all types of relationships, so I keep hoping that we all find some common ground and clarity.

Peace out...
Mojopo

Lace, Latane, Mojo....

I understand what you are saying Mojo. I agree, we all need to sit and listen to what each other are saying to try to understand (bend, if you will). I was merely sticking up for Lace’s choice of her OWN path. It is her choice and I didn’t find her statements to be offensive.

Let me clarify, I am on my own path, which has led me away from “the church”. I simply do not believe in group religion anymore. Or shall I say, I want to NOT part take in group religion. I won’t condemn any group religion. For group religion has led me to this place on my path. Some have told me I am more towards Buddhist, or what ever. My religion that I have been embarking and coming to terms with is the relationship that I have with my path in life and myself. The only label I want on my religion is MINE.

What I have learned is, what is right for one, is not right for all. I believe in personal boundaries should be respected by everyone, even though we all have crossed a boundary or two against someone in our life time. Not one person is perfect, but we all strive to be the best person we know how to be.

We learn from one another, even through condemning. “That which does not break us, makes us stronger!” I understand some people are very impressionable. I can understand condemning someone as being offensive, but stating your path and the reasons why the person is making these choices, is not pointing the fingers at anyone.

I have nothing against Latane. In fact, Latane makes me think (even in our private messages).

Religion and sexuality is a HUGE hot debate. Not just in the forum, but on a personal level, we all have rambled in OUR own minds trying to fit it ALL together. It is a very personal delicate matter. I can understand why some pull this wall up in protection from a backlash on their own personal front in understanding. It is very easy to do and sometimes, we don’t even realize we do it.

I like to stick to asking questions when I am dealing with an unknown. But we all different and that is ok.

rovermom :)

Life is a 3D puzzle and everyone has a piece! :)

Birds do it

Hey Mojopo--- ver nicely said!!!